Dev Tracker: Discussion (Old)

[NynJa]

I dont see the event lasting long without tying rewards to it. Theres no event that has lasting power that doesnt have decent rewards:
previous mentions of Pankration, chocobo raising
MMM is a quick event, but its rewards sucked cock. who really cared about MMM for its drops? weapon owners according to ffxiah: Barkborer 0, Ermine's Tail 100+, Eventreuse 2, Koggelmander 100+ (all blu's since it was an actual good weapon I believe), Onishibari 1, Scheherazade 1, Zaide 33, Zonure 6. Obviously its not the most conclusive evidence of data, but just to compare, both Genesis items, which drop from Kholomodumo, which has pretty mediocre loot (whens the last time you saw a Kholomondro shout, other than Sandy path), 100+ people own atleast 1 of each item.
The mobs ear/ring/torque/head/whatever, some had some utility, but even then, no one really cared enough.
The cests are absolute garbage, I'm not even going to go into details.

When content hit 80, who cared for ZNM"s? A handful of people did, at best, Sanraku became a sad artist, because the loot became obsolete. Theres some care for ZNM's now once again because of the Mythic 99 trial, but even then, Colosseum is pretty much empty.

[dasva]

swd and dagger were good at 75 and so was some of the armor though forget which parts but convincing enough people to do it was kinda hard


I actually did pank alot for fun at one point then when I need all those jettons for camera's I was like yay

[barber2006]

Back when digging was worth doing having a properly raised bird was a pretty good reward. Back then if you would have asked me to either go from raised bird to rental bird or go from ebisu back to lushang I would have given up ebisu. Not many people were diggers though, and it didnt seem racing was worth it.

[Chamaan]

What about if leveling a monster added some kind of permanent Killer effect based on the monster you raise? Squeenix loves their goddamned "character specialization" so having a natural advantage or even a unique JA/WS from your monster would be cool.

Honestly I think we need to look at this more like the Fellowship pet NPC mechanic than the chocobo raising one.

[Yugl]

What about if leveling a monster added some kind of permanent Killer effect based on the monster you raise? Squeenix loves their goddamned "character specialization" so having a natural advantage or even a unique JA/WS from your monster would be cool.

This would be a great idea actually.

[Kincard]

Comparing MMM drops to VW doesn't really work. MMM was competing against people continuing to run Nyzul/Assaults/Salvage, whereas VW is now the "main", and almost only, endgame event ever done anymore by the general playerbase, and every single person has to go through that Behemoth in order to get to the higher tiers. MMM had an awful drop rate, and you can't enter every day because of the CCC system. Then when it does drop, it's 1 drop per party of 6.

As for "what gear from MMM was good", pretty much all the accessories were sidegrades, but that was pretty much par for the course. Antica Ring and Gnole Torque were the most notable accessory drops, and the Mamool Earring was just a nice bonus you'd get while you were aiming for another drop. Most the weapons were pretty good.

And actually, the cests could get some unique stats on them, it's just that it'd take a lot of tries to get something good. Given that people repeated the 3 addons for augments continuously I'm sure people would've done the same for the cests if the level cap didn't get raised.

As for Pankration, I completely blame its death on SE's lack of support for it. The patch notes when it first came out, and even just the way the rewards from the camera guy are structured suggest it was going to be expanded upon a great deal, then they just pulled the plug on it for no reason. Pankration was potentially the most highly customizable system in the whole game, it was limited by the FP total of monsters that would've gone up if they had raised the level cap on the monsters.

[Taim Meich]

I just don't know why they don't implement it right aways, as it's obvious that the system exists from the beginning of the game.

What? You don't believe me? Why do you think THAT goblin turend around the very moment you moved behind it? Or why that crawler decided to move just close enough to the other one you were pulling, but still close enough to the other crawlers to link the entire room?

The developers have been playing as monsters from the very beginning!

[Damane]

I'm curious if future mobs/SoA will be able to use the new 2hrs. Might broaden THF's SP usefulness some.

Spoiler: show

Also waiting on SE to do something troll-tier like TP moves that have a different coloured start-up animation instead of the usual yellow one, which could signify shit like unstunnable.

SE stated that THF new SP wont steal other jobs new SP. It only works on the old SP.

[pchan]

If done right, Play as a Monster could be the breath of fresh air the game needs. SE should consider requiring the monster to wear "gear" that could help to spur some lowbie AH gear movement and stimulate the economy.

All they need now are some solid rewards attached to it along with the PvP elements and it could be a revolutionary event system with many fun applications. Adding a ladder system would bring out the diehard PvPers and allow for some serious epeening when you're challenged by everyone on teh server looking to break your boner.

They failed to reward legion with decent drops, what do you think will happen ? You guys are too naive. At best it's going to be a fellow NPC like system. I takes bet if you want.

[Damane]

They failed to reward legion with decent drops, what do you think will happen ? You guys are too naive. At best it's going to be a fellow NPC like system. I takes bet if you want.

some of legion drops are decent sidegrades tough.

Even more crafting equipment would be a decent/good reward.

[Kincard]

Legion offers plenty of good rewards, he's just asspained that none of them are for MNK.

Fellow NPCs were actually pretty useful before the era of the pocket WHM, for the people that bothered leveling them. I doubt Play As a Monster will offer any similar function.

[Jem]

Legion offers plenty of sidegrades and situationally useful pieces. It's a quick, fun event that rewards even the people who aren't getting drops. Drop rates aren't terrible either (10% ish isn't terrible when you get multiple attempts at the mob per 30 mins barring bad repop luck. The worst mobs being T2 Mul mobs which are 1 attempt per run only but can drop doubles)

It also didn't seem to fall into the usual trap of great gear for melee, nothing for mages. Least I assume that is the case given that some people with melee jobs want mage gear first in my groups and usually it's always 'DD GEAR FIRST!' (Idc about my mage jobs).

Personally I haven't got anything from Legion (including synth mats) due to terrible lotting luck but I still walk away with 1-1.5m every 2-3 runs (i.e. per set of runs) due to converting points. Plus an extra 750k-1.5m ish per Mul due to selling scrolls. Not amazing but not bad either for 1.5-2 hours work where I'm getting the chance at gear/synth mats too. Sure that won't last but it's nice for the time being.

[Yugl]

Drops don't seem to be evenly distributed, so Fulad is technically the rarest piece looking at DB. Duplus might compete (no track since Naraka's message is different), but I doubt that lol. Anyways, Legion has some side-grades and good Abj (Better than doing VW), but the problem with Abj is the price atm.

[Jem]

I think the unevenly distributed items are from mobs that drop multiple pieces of gear though right? So like Zilant drops Drachenblut and Fulad with Fulad being the rarer but combined it's ~10-12%. Same with Mired Orthrus and Induro Cuisses + Tussle Breeches.

Maybe we've been lucky but Duplus droprate hasn't seemed terrible for the groups I go with. Certainly above 10%. It's just that every man and his dog seems to want one. I've seen 3 in the last week for example across maybe 6-7 Muls so like you say, it doesn't challenge Fulad for rarity (Our Fulad rate isn't bad tbh but definitely a statistical anomaly compared to the database lol).

[Yugl]

Ya, they total 10%, but MulT2 combine much higher seemingly.

[Byrthnoth]

Duplus Drop rate is likely 10%. We've gotten 3 in 20 kills, but every other Wave 2 monster has two drops. One of them is 70% (but split into two slots because it can drop two) and the other is 10%.

I walk away from Legion with about 3 mil every night due to Honors, material drops, scrolls, etc.

[Jem]

Naraka also has 2 drops. He drops that GKT Kagotsurube. The one with stp on and sc bonus on.

We've seen that and Duplus in equalish measure. Or maybe we just notice the GKT more as it's not Duplus causing us to fffffuuuuu. Never seen either of them double drop though so couldn't say which is the rare drop and which is common.

[Byrthnoth]

No, I meant "Every Wave 2 Mul monster has two drops including Paramount Naraka" for him, it's 70% stupidGKT and 10% Duplus. I'm entirely sure of this, as we've gotten >a dozen of the GKT and 3 Duplus Grips in 20 kills.

[Jem]

Ah right, I just misread it then. Read it like you were saying every other Wave 2 NM but him has 2 drops.

I'll start recording our drop rate on him but I'm sure you're right then. Our drop rate is probably just messed up by lower than usual GKT and higher than usual Duplus.

[Byrthnoth]

Yeah, specifically our count is 17 GKTs and 3 Duplus. Duplus is top slot when it drops for us.