Dev Tracker: Discussion (Old)

[Sho]

Lol, here we go.

Why are people guessing at what they might change when they have flat out said what they would do. They won't raise the floor, but the max jumps will now be 11. You only need to beat 80 5 times to get a piece of 100 gear. They are cutting the cooldown on sametime (or maybe it was order) lamps by half.

We know those things already. Was talking about further changes past what's going to be implemented.

[Jem]

That's certainly not an insignificant nerf as far as Legion goes. More buff downtime and no saving yourself from Kaustra til a mage rescues you at the portal.

I wonder if that will still mean you get event skipped when interacting with stuff. Not exactly the same thing but kinda related.

[Eurell]

Lol, here we go.



We know those things already. Was talking about further changes past what's going to be implemented.

Why would they change anything else? Those are huge changes lol.


Edit: And you were agreeing with Pchan, who said they were not changing Nyzul even though they would be changing Legion.

[Elizara]

That..will also affect pausing a lot of things. I know people used to pause primal brews a lot (and abuse that). When asked under the old director, we were told oh, that's just part of the game.

Guess it is not meant to be part of the game.

[Selamis]

Ugh, so long locking ADL buffs between repops.

[Sho]

Why would they change anything else? Those are huge changes lol.


Edit: And you were agreeing with Pchan, who said they were not changing Nyzul even though they would be changing Legion.

Oh nevermind, I was reading what he said wrong then. I no longer agree, lol. I was just talking about any possible modifications to Nyzul past what they planned-- no much else they could do to it.

[chichicha]

I'm translating a huge Matsui post about Embrava/PD right now. One very important note that I thought it worth sharing before full translation... they have reprogrammed NPC interactions so that they no longer maintain the duration of active status effects. Its apparently already gone through QA and testing.

Let the QQ commence.

Shit... Need to burn all my cruor for brew before they nerf it...
Need to look for another way to beat PW without locking buff then...

[Slycer]

That..will also affect pausing a lot of things. I know people used to pause primal brews a lot (and abuse that). When asked under the old director, we were told oh, that's just part of the game.

Guess it is not meant to be part of the game.

Did someone really say that? Because it's really obviously taking advantage of a mechanism that was clearly not intended to be used that way, I can't believe a director would say that (but I guess it wouldn't surprise me terribly).

[InsaniacTHF]

Not a huge deal imo. If it does away with event skips I will welcome the change.

Edit: They never said it was intended. They said something like they were aware of it but had no intention of changing it at the time.

[Elizara]

I can't find the ref now, but when someone complained about it on the official forum back then, they were basically, oh that's part of the game, we're not going to change it right now. (I may of misremembered)

[Slycer]

Full translation. He really felt the need to defend the PD/Embrava changes apparently. I thought the reasoning was pretty apparent, but I guess many didn't feel the same.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/112...=1#post5501269

[SargentRemora]

Did someone really say that? Because it's really obviously taking advantage of a mechanism that was clearly not intended to be used that way, I can't believe a director would say that (but I guess it wouldn't surprise me terribly).

They definitely told us it was ok to use and abuse, but that it might change. Guess that impacts ADL a tad.

[InsaniacTHF]

I like that he acknowledges the game has degraded into a series of zerg fests and that isn't ok.

[ronin sparthos]

Anyone who can't figure out that Embrava/PD damaged the game as much as Abyssean overkill (200k brews, auto-RR3) clearly lives on another world.

[Slycer]

Yeah. Either way, I applaud the fact that he took the time to write this up. All of his justifications are sound, and I'm glad they're completely thinking this through (including the probably unpopular removal of the NPC status effect "bug" that should never have been possible in the first place, which shows, if nothing else, that they aren't completely blind to how we're playing the game). If Adoulin is truly intended to be the main source of level 99 content as they say, the Embrava and PD nerfs absolutely need to happen before that content's design is completed. You see the effects that Embrava/PD has had on content design and balance for the last year or two, with each new fight or event added becoming more ridiculous and more reliant on at least one of the two than the last and I think we've all had enough of that.

I think we can breathe a huge sigh of relief based on his statement that Salvage was not designed with Embrava in mind.

[Slycer]

Double post, kewl.

[Toth]

Very well thought out post and full of sound reasoning for the changes. I like this guy.

OF is going to go nova though methinks.

[Byrthnoth]

Wow, no more buff locking. Then again, no more Embrava so it doesn't really matter. Tabula Rasa was really the main thing worth locking anymore anyway, though I'd lock stuff like Berserk after entering PW BCNMs so I could have it up for ~8 minutes in a row.

The main things I used to use buff locking for were:
1) Maintaining my food if I was soloing and suddenly wanted to afk.
2) Maintaing Signet under essentially the same conditions.

PS. You're a mod now, Slycer. You have the technology to fix your double post.

[Taint]

The next step would be to nerf haste (maybe Byrth's idea) and up the emnity cap. Slowing the current spam WS macro down would introduce more strategy (SC+MB anyone?) and possibly bring real tanking back into play.

[Kincard]

OF is going to go nova though methinks.

It sucks that we can't lock buffs anymore, but I don't really see why people should get upset over an adjustment to something that's clearly a bug.

The main things I used to use buff locking for were:
1) Maintaining my food if I was soloing and suddenly wanted to afk.
2) Maintaing Signet under essentially the same conditions.

Heh, that's pretty much what I used it for...sometimes I'd have a 3+ hour food up before I went to sleep and I'd lock myself on an NPC in upper jeuno while I bazaar'd stuff.

It seems to me that Embrava should be saved for doing nothing but erasing Kaustra now...I don't get the feeling that they plan on taking Kaustra out from Legion/Arch-Diabolos.