Dev Tracker: Discussion (Old)

[Slycer]

There haven't been any JP dev tracker updates since before the new year, the entirety of last week's dev tracker was the other regions catching up on the JP stuff they missed translating the week before due to Christmas break (no new posts today).

[Toth]

Ah, okay. Thanks Slycer!

[Hashmalum]

I fully expect CaitSith to come out AFTER Adoulin

Is it be or does Adoulin sound like Adderall?

It's always to me sounded like "Adderall + Ritalin = Adoulin".

[Tarage]

It's always to me sounded like "Adderall + Ritalin = Adoulin".

IE what the majority of FFXI players are on.

[dasva]

That's what I've been thinking - MB expansion, Beastmaster adjustments and the new 2hrs in the next patch followed by Play as a Monster part 1, Cait Sith (lol) and the pre-Adoulin patch then OMG WHAT DO YOU SEEK IN ADOULIN.

bst adjustment?

[NynJa]

FUCK BST

[Damane]

I must have missed teh BST adjustments, what are they adjusting to BST?

[Alkar]

Cait Sith isn't coming before Adoulin and Atomos will probably be forgotten for a couple years.
I don't really care anymore at this point, I'll be playing a (likely) better version of Summoner soon enough anyway.

[Slycer]

New year greetings from Matsui and Ito on the official findings thread.

I am speaking with the producer about having a system in place where we can better respond to the feedback from the forum.

Here's hoping that includes the non-Japanese speaking players as well.

[Tarage]

I'll be playing a (likely) better version of Summoner soon enough anyway.

Unless you are talking about some SMN class on a different game... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no.

[Alkar]

Unless you are talking about some SMN class on a different game... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no.

Of course I'm talking about another game. Summoner will likely be a job in XIV and possibly even good but there aren't any details yet.

[Buffy]

Of course I'm talking about another game. Summoner will likely be a job in XIV and possibly even good but there aren't any details yet.

It's good to see that 10 years of ffxi crushing the spirit of summoners worldwide hasn't ended your enthusiasm for the new ways they are going to screw the job up in XIV.

[arus2001]

I'll never shake the feeling that pet jobs should be absent from MMOs entirely. Their fan bases are rarely pleased and almost always want to be the power of 2 PCs in one. SMN has the added identity crisis of oldschool iterations just being BLM/WHMs with different spell names for the same effects.

[Chamaan]

Yeah but you still have to play that improved summoner in FFXIV. Dress up party playtime job changes aside, I can't get past the UI that uses those big ugly neon fonts from FFXIII. Shit is giving me some hard Vietnam style PTSD.

And as a puppetmaster I can say that I don't want two fully powered PCs, I want to be able to use my damn pup in something more serious than dynamis farming. They don't benefit from buffs at all. Just give me a damn JA that gives my puppet all my marches and berserks and Embravas and all that bullshit, I'll be happy to stand in the back and do maneuvers.

[Tarage]

I'll never shake the feeling that pet jobs should be absent from MMOs entirely. Their fan bases are rarely pleased and almost always want to be the power of 2 PCs in one. SMN has the added identity crisis of oldschool iterations just being BLM/WHMs with different spell names for the same effects.

I don't want "the power of 2 PCs at once". I want "At the very least the power of one PC". SMN doesn't even have that. Our pets are weaker than every other class in the game.

[arus2001]

Even with buffs, it's a very hard to please crowd. Yes, SE fucked up royally on a number of mechanics like pet food/buffing. Yet, for every PUP like Chamaan, you'd have a bunch who wanna just be a MNK with a killer robot, too.

[TummieGaruda]

I must have missed teh BST adjustments, what are they adjusting to BST?

Adding new familiars and adjusting the behavior of familiars as well.

Also MNK boost adjustments didn't happen either this year along with other things.

[dasva]

I don't want "the power of 2 PCs at once". I want "At the very least the power of one PC". SMN doesn't even have that. Our pets are weaker than every other class in the game.

Technically your pet is overall a bit stronger than every other class all in 1. The problem is when you throw buffs and good gear which doesn't really go for your pets not to mention can't be cured. On the other hand your pets can be resummoned waaaaaay faster than someone can be raised with no weakenss

[Spira]

i actually can't wait for SMN in FF14. I think it'd be a lot better than what we're getting here now.

to be fairly honest, SMN has never been well designed in XI. It has a history that is muddled with poor performance from the get go.. something which even PUP fares better in. never up to par even when adjustments were made. but highly useful for Astral Flow in BCs and specific abilities like PD.
yet SMNs have mostly stuck to the job. sucked it up. the only reason why the job continues to receive decent support from players is merely because of the status of the job - based mainly on the status of Summoners in previous FFs. We seem to take every insult given by SE, holding on to the hope that the job will be restored to its glory as seen in older games. Masochists, the lot of us.

That said, there is a lot that SMN can do that most other jobs aren't capable of, simply because of the use of pets.. so this has earned the job a bit of a niche status, like BST. And I genuinely enjoy playing this job more than any other in the game, so it could be that the job is simply that fun.. and people are deceived by the occasional big number effect coming from BPs.

I love Summoner. GFs were probably the main reason I played FF8 (my first/fave FF) and my fave character in the series is Yuna. Can't wait for Cait Sith. Not really holding out for Atomos anymore. Astral Conduit could be a sign of better days to come. Here's hoping

[Tarage]

Technically your pet is overall a bit stronger than every other class all in 1. The problem is when you throw buffs and good gear which doesn't really go for your pets not to mention can't be cured. On the other hand your pets can be resummoned waaaaaay faster than someone can be raised with no weakenss

Our pets do far less damage than any other pet, player, or entity. Our pets have less HP than any other pet, player, or entity. We can do less actions with our pet. If we resummon our pet the enemy still comes and hits us in the face which, I should note, we have the lowest defense of any class in the game. Also the pet AI is rubbish on top of all that.

So no, our pets are not "a bit stronger than every other class all in 1." You have no idea what you are talking about.