Dev Tracker: Discussion (Old)

[TummieGaruda]

This is not true, but the level 99 celestial avatars probably do have 76 STR, ~320 delay, 520-530 attack if you use melee pDIF equations (which are wrong for pets/monsters but all we have) and 55 base damage. That's approximately comparable to a level 75 DRK single-wielding an axe.

With no way to augment their STR, this means avatars are running negative fSTR against almost everything in the game.

I was under the impression a while back that pets ignored level correction but I doubt this is true.

[Fwahm]

I was under the impression a while back that pets ignored level correction but I doubt this is true.

You know, with the way gear has been going, I wouldn't even bat an eye if SE released that robe in your signature in Adoulin (besides level, of course).

[Byrthnoth]

I was under the impression a while back that pets ignored level correction but I doubt this is true.

It seems to not be true, which is unfortunate. On the upside, they likely get the Ratio boost that monsters receive when attacking targets of a lower level than themselves.

[dejet]

Oh yeah new jugs wreck eps... but they fail on stronger and I could care less about weak enemies. Really the main problem with all pets is while the stats start out overall higher then players there is hardly any ways to improve them in anyway. While inversely players can improve there abilities in pretty much everyway in every slot and all kinds of buffs. Hell half the game is putting the right buffs and gear for the right situation and improving and getting more situational stuff and switching at the right times. At the very least I don't see why we can't cast the same things we can on our traveling companion npc as them. Would allow them to scale at least a little bit better.

BST is fine thought. My dot as a master is far greater then even a smns pet. Hell 2k runator outside aby.
Smn on the other hand does not get this.

[TummieGaruda]

It seems to not be true, which is unfortunate. On the upside, they likely get the Ratio boost that monsters receive when attacking targets of a lower level than themselves.

Yeah I can see that being the case. I do wonder though if pets have a lower level correction penalty compared to ours.

[Spira]

This is not true, but the level 99 celestial avatars probably do have 76 STR, ~320 delay, 520-530 attack if you use melee pDIF equations (which are wrong for pets/monsters but all we have) and 55 base damage. That's approximately comparable to a level 75 DRK single-wielding an axe.

With no way to augment their STR, this means avatars are running negative fSTR against almost everything in the game.

i stand corrected, and yet if what i read you say is correct, it would mean that essentially, it still doesn't make much of any significant difference at all.

[Toth]

I think they always envisioned SMN as a potent buffer, adequate DD, hate free damage, emergency healer, and mild magic damage dealer. They have improved the job over the years but there are still areas it needs work on (this thread pretty much nails it). With the new SP though, a well geared SMN can chain spell stunga or unleash some pretty potent magic damage for 30 seconds. It's a step in the right direction that could be helped by lowering that BP timer limit on gear, SE :D

Also, wasn't there going to be some informative posts from Matsui today? Give us some love devs!

[Tarage]

This whole SMN talk started because someone mentioned CaitSith.

Give us CaitSith and we'll shut the fuck up for a while.

[Hashmalum]

The only post with any substance was one from Matsui responding to a player's post about how Matsui, in his post yesterday, failed to mention bringing any new adventurers to Vana'diel (he said their focus would be on current players and bringing back ones who left). Matsui's response is nothing unexpected, he said that of course they would like to encourage new players to join as well, but the first focus will be on expanding and adjusting content for current players, then on adjusting content and difficulty to make it easier for old players to return (i.e. they have no plan to add any low-level content in the near future).

If Matsui did start actively trying to bring in new players to FF11, I'd guess that the higher-ups would lean on him to stop damn quick. They want those people to save FF14 (and with it, Wada's ego and job). There's no way that FF11 is going to get any major new player oriented content or fixes until FF14 2.0 has either convincingly succeeded or abysmally flopped.

[NynJa]

This whole SMN talk started because someone mentioned CaitSith.

Give us CaitSith and we'll shut the fuck up for a while.

"We've decided CaitSith will be a cheerleader avatar like the toad for BST's"...

[Chamaan]

It seems to not be true, which is unfortunate. On the upside, they likely get the Ratio boost that monsters receive when attacking targets of a lower level than themselves.

I swear I remember Sancho putting up very consistent numbers on Kirin in the long long ago, especially for a one-hander.

[Tarage]

"We've decided CaitSith will be a cheerleader avatar like the toad for BST's"...

I will end you.

[Indalecia]

iirc, Fenrir is the DRK. Diablos is a blm, I believe.

[Byrthnoth]

All of the celestial avatars and Diabolos are BLMs. Fenrir is probably DRK (but doesn't intimidate Arcana, iirc). Carby is probably WHM (complete with Auto-Regen II).

Avatars are a weird kind of half-job bastardization. They all get crit damage bonus (I think) and Subtle Blow (if I'm remembering right).

[Indalecia]

He does have the att bonus though, I do remember that from the old Alla post.

[fantasticdan]

Yeah I can see that being the case. I do wonder though if pets have a lower level correction penalty compared to ours.

It has always seemed like bst pets function as if they are higher level than they actually are somehow. Their damage/accuracy doesn't drop off nearly as harshly as you would expect it to on high level monsters (jugs weren't frequently hitting kirin for 0 at 75 like unbuffed players for example), and their resist rates are through the roof compared to a player of the same level.

[Tarage]

SE loves BST more than SMN anyway.

[Chamaan]

It has always seemed like bst pets function as if they are higher level than they actually are somehow. Their damage/accuracy doesn't drop off nearly as harshly as you would expect it to on high level monsters (jugs weren't frequently hitting kirin for 0 at 75 like unbuffed players for example), and their resist rates are through the roof compared to a player of the same level.

Pretty much how it was for Pup.

[fantasticdan]

Do automatons have extremely high elemental/debuff resistances like jug pets?

[NynJa]

All of the celestial avatars and Diabolos are BLMs. Fenrir is probably DRK (but doesn't intimidate Arcana, iirc). Carby is probably WHM (complete with Auto-Regen II).

Avatars are a weird kind of half-job bastardization. They all get crit damage bonus (I think) and Subtle Blow (if I'm remembering right).

I dont think the Subtle Blow was given as a job basis, but was given directly to avatars beyond any job relation. It was an old old patch, like 6 years ago.