Meeble Burrows Findings

[Cairthenn]

If they were kicked, they still entered.

[mdkuser]

actually on the test server, solo runs rewards the same as 3 man runs so it probably doesn't work.

[Slycer]

If they were kicked, they still entered.

Yeah but the part that I wanted to emphasize was that although I entered with 5 people, I received the amount of points for having 3 people present when I left the area. So the points are obviously calculated at the time you leave, not based on the number of people who entered, with the maximum number of points being the number you can get with 3 people.

[pchan]

So how much is the coffer mission assuming DDx2 + embrava will clear it ?

[Jem]

I doubt you'll need Embrava. When we did it, we only got 1 mimic and it was a complete pushover (died to 1 Fudo)

Not sure on Marks reward. Let's see if I can backtrack and work it out.

I did Associate 1 > 5. Adjunct 1 > 5. Assistant 1. I had enough to buy Cheruski Needle then but not sooner.

Assis 1 - 2250 (Goal 3 with 4)
Assis 2 - 1750 (Goal 3 with 4)
Assis 3 - 1750 (Goal 3 with 4)
Assis 4 - ??? (Goal 3 with 4, 29 boxes opened, 1 killed)
Assis 5 - 3000 (Cleared with 4)
Adj 1 - 1500 (Goal 3 with 4)
Adj 2 - 1500 (Goal 3 with 4)
Adj 3 - 1125 (Goal 2 with 4)
Adj 4 - 500 (Goal 1 with 4. We were 1 + 1 tri-boxer and kinda aggroed the entire zone...)
Adj 5 - 2500 (Cleared)
Assoc 1 - 1750 (Goal 3 with 4)

That's 17625. So it was worth at least 2375 points and no more than 4125. I have a feeling it only just scraped us into the 20k territory. We failed 1 small chest. If there's 25 small chests, 5 big chests that means a max of 16000 marks which would fit the above (15600/4 for us so 3,900). But equally a flat 3000 for completion would work and be inline with other expeditions.

Needs more testing. I'm also working from memory so there's a chance I'm remembering our Overall Marks incorrectly.

[pchan]

researcher #1 is quick and trioable and offers 3k. That's why I ask because it's quick and easy. I wasn't impressed when I did coffers so it was likely < 3k (but with 6 chars). If you fail 1 big coffer and 5 small out of the 28 total coffers, you would only get 3,000 with 3. It doesn't seem that much appealing.

On the other hand if you manage a 3 man guarranted win on emeritus boss, you get 5,000 points per win so 14 millions to get letalis mantle.

Oh and btw I verified on the test server that you can buy the KI even after a failure, however I doubt this works for your first kill in case you lose. Also I killed the boss as MNK(gimp macros)+gimp SCH on the test server though we had level 1 boons on everything and refresh level 2.

[Slycer]

Needs more testing. I'm also working from memory so there's a chance I'm remembering our Overall Marks incorrectly.

idk what needs more testing, I've already exactly specified it on the wiki. Each small crate is 400 marks, each large one is 1200. There are 28 crates total (25 small, 3 large). Maximum possible total marks if you're lucky (since occasionally you'll have to guess on the final choice on 3-guess crates with bad hints, and the large ones are always 3-guess crates, small ones are like 1/3 3-guess and 2/3 4 guess) is 13,600. So, 4533...3400...2720...2266 for 3..4..5..6 people with perfect guesswork.

It's always 25 small and 3 large, I've never seen 5 large and I've done it multiple times on the test server and once on the real server. The majority of the marks info on the wiki is correct. All of the goal 3 marks reward information for all of the expeditions is definitely correct, some of the lower goals might be slightly off on some expeditions.

This is Associate Researcher expedition 4 btw, I assume you confused the two ranks when you called it Assistant 4 above.

You definitely do not need Embrava. The only annoying thing is that they can cast Death, but if you're clearing the expeditions in order, you're going to have Auto-RR when you do this one anyway. Unless you're really unlucky, you won't be fighting more than like three or four of them. I would say that it is the best marks-farming expedition unless you have people who don't know how to play the numbers on the crate guessing.

https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Associate...r_Expedition_4

[Jem]

Apologies, I didn't see the bit where it specified number of boxes so assumed 30 since the other goals were 10 + 20. And yeah I mixed them up.

Points wise, it's going to be the best for farming albeit with an element of risk then. Should average out at the most though. Otherwise Researcher 1 like Pchan said is probably the quickest/easiest.

Sidenote and it's extremely unlikely but worth checking anyway. Has anyone checked to see if buying a KI allows you to access that boss or lower bosses? It's unlikely since it doesn't work like that on initial clear and has no logic behind it other than 'Fuck it, worth a check next time you buy KI's for Umag'

[Slycer]

Not sure if people have repeated either Assistant 4 or Associate Researcher 4 (the ones that give Treasure Hunter boons), but according to JP wiki, they don't improve with increased level upon repeating the expeditions, so they would cap at TH+1. Has anyone repeated any of those?

Edit: I should also note -- someone earlier confirmed that you can pull and kill the bats from Assistant 2 as long as you don't link them and it won't fail goal 3 - I can confirm that the same works for the cockatrices in Adjunct 3, just be careful with the pathing since that map is filled with cliffs and rocks.

[NynJa]

So how much is the coffer mission assuming DDx2 + embrava will clear it ?

Coffers you dont successfully pick dont offer marks, only count towards the goal, so going in expecting to fail them all and rape them in the fact for max marks...nope.


[17:43:31]Vaglabond succeeded in opening the lock!
[17:43:31]You have received 1200 research marks!
[17:43:31]Your total number of research marks is 2400!
[17:43:31]You have now opened 4 treasure chests!

[17:44:01]Nynja failed to open the lock.
[17:44:01]You have now opened 5 treasure chests--but unfortunately for you, this one's a mimic!

[17:45:26]Vaglabond succeeded in opening the lock!
[17:45:26]You have received 400 research marks!
[17:45:26]Your total number of research marks is 2800!
[17:45:26]You have now opened 6 treasure chests!

[pchan]

I know how they work thanks for the useless input, call me when you have a way to not fail any coffer. The best RM farming as I said, would be a low-man researcher emeritus. Time is money and as I said it's only 14M each for 70k point, in 14 days.

[Slycer]

I know how they work thanks for the useless input, call me when you have a way to not fail any coffer. The best RM farming as I said, would be a low-man researcher emeritus. Time is money and as I said it's only 14M each for 70k point, in 14 days.

Actually, just under 12 days. They come back one per 20 hours, not one per 24 (you can do 6 total runs in every 5 day period). Ignoring the expedition with the crates, the best you can do consistently with 3 people is 3000 per member. So you're talking 2000 more points per run times 14 runs, that's 14 million gil for 28,000 (not 70,000) research marks. This is also assuming you have a completely wipe-proof zero status boon strategy for Umagrhk with 3 people (I haven't fought him yet, so I don't know how viable that is). Either way, that's a hefty chunk of gil considering it would only take ~10 more runs to accomplish (another 8 days or so). Unless Meeble Burrows is literally the only thing you are doing in game right now, "time is money" is not really relevant to this particular situation because each run only takes 15 minutes and the wait time between runs can be filled with other activities.... unless 150 minutes is worth 14 million gil to you. Plus, the first time you do Umagrhk, you need to go through every other expedition anyway, so you should have at least 50k, if not quite a bit more, saved up by then.

All that said, there is a potential saving grace in farming marks this way, and that is the sale price of Simian items. You may be able to recuperate almost everything you spend on the KIs (or even more until the market is saturated) by selling the Simian Horns you get.

[pchan]

To me 14 million is one marrow and I do ~5 marrows per 2 days when I farm them. But like I said tier I reasearcher is likely more realistic unless you have a 3 or 4 man reliable strat for urmargh. I'm sure I'll have to do more than 14 urmargh to cap on abatteur subligars anyway.

[Slycer]

To me 14 million is one marrow and I do ~5 marrows per 2 days when I farm them. But like I said tier I reasearcher is likely more realistic unless you have a 3 or 4 man reliable strat for urmargh. I'm sure I'll have to do more than 14 urmargh to cap on abatteur subligars anyway.

Yeah, I think I edited my post above after you responded, but Umagrhk might actually pay for itself if the Simian Horn price is high enough. Heck, you might even make money off it because Bonecrafters have been waiting to get their hands on some of those horns for skillups. So the idea of buying all the KIs and marks farming from Umagrhk might actually work out really well, at least until the Horn market goes away. Plus you can bank away the manes until they add a high level cloth or leather synth with them and then cash out on those too.

What are people buying horns for or offering for them right now? FFXIAH has no info on sales, but has a couple of "wanted" prices of 5 mil or more....

[pchan]

I also just realised that the best boon for umargh is refresh (15 or 20 per tick), and you can do researcher #1 2 times, then researcher emritus 3 times and net 21000 per 5 pheromones, in case refresh is actually needed. I'm sure a pimp SCH+WHM+MNK setup can do it boonless.

[Helel]

RNG + random DD + SCH should have no problems. If beastruction goes off, it'll just go after the RNG. I don't see how you could lose.

[dasva]

Yeah, I think I edited my post above after you responded, but Umagrhk might actually pay for itself if the Simian Horn price is high enough. Heck, you might even make money off it because Bonecrafters have been waiting to get their hands on some of those horns for skillups.

What are people buying horns for or offering for them right now? FFXIAH has no info on sales, but has a couple of "wanted" prices of 5 mil or more....

The most I'd be willing to pay is probably 4 mil maybe and if I get enough materials for jacket I'll just say fuck it and lvl up without waiting for horns . But there will either have to be a decent market for the dagger (even if it's just the HQ) and/or be at least a few hundred thousand cheaper than hexed jacket I think. Seeing as jacket will sell. Especially the HQs. And it will only be used for 1 lvl of skilling up

[Taint]

I also just realised that the best boon for umargh is refresh (15 or 20 per tick), and you can do researcher #1 2 times, then researcher emritus 3 times and net 21000 per 5 pheromones, in case refresh is actually needed. I'm sure a pimp SCH+WHM+MNK setup can do it boonless.

Do boons reset after doing the final boss? We've done him twice with no boons.

MNK RNG SCH WHM

[pchan]

Yes you have to get refresh back after that but it's easy. With SCH nerf incoming however you may want to replace it by a brd.

[ikariiiii]

why is refresh a requirement again?