Meeble Burrows Findings

[Delain]

All buffs going in is confirmed based on the dialog entries from the galka NPCs. Whether that carries over to what actually happens is a different story.

The only way I can see using two grimoires effectively is using one for buff farming and the other for boss access, as those above have said. The idea would essentially be to unlock access to all expeditions on one grimoire, so that you can farm buffs from whichever run you feel like (or at least unlock Researcher #4 for bonus to spoils). Then, for the run where you are actually farming the buff, only the run leader needs to use the buff grimoire. So the run leader, using his buff grimoire (let's say its Avidity) will enter the rest of the group all using their Diligence Grimoires. Then, everyone but the run leader will have "bonus to spoils" on their Diligence Grimoire. Finally, once the whole group has completed all four expeditions within a rank, they can enter with their Diligence Grimoires, and all of them, even the one who led the buff farming run, will obtain the "bonus to spoils" buff.

Basically, once you unlock the expeditions on the alternate grimoire, it would only take one extra expedition per boss series to unlock "bonus to spoils." I said the same thing several pages ago in not so many words, maybe this is clearer.

This does make perfect sense. Thanks for explaining it. Likely the biggest issue that remains to be confirmed is like you said, if they carry over grimoire to grimoire. If they do, everything you map out here makes having a grimoire for buffs makes perfect sense. If that is the case, then really just clearing the expedition that grants bonus to spoils on the buff grimoire once will mean you dont have to add another pheromone use per boss farming run to unlock it on the "boss fight" grimoire, since that buff will already be on the buff grimoire.

If buffs do not carry over, though, the issue that I still see is there is no reason to build a buff grimoire and having a second grimoire available to us serves no purpose besides having multiple static groups. If we would already be building up expeditions 1-4 to be able to fight a boss, then we would have access to the bonus to spoils expedition on the "boss fight" grimoire since we should have access to all non-boss expeditions at that point. It would mean we still have to add a pheromone each boss run to get bonus to spoils, but would not require keeping a second grimoire.

I am really hoping that they carry over grimoire to grimoire.

[Slycer]

Bonus to spoils is only available on Researcher 4. So if you're doing, for example, Assistant rank (Silagilith), you would need that alternate grimoire with Researcher 4 access on at least one person to get bonus to spoils on your progress grimoire for Silagilith, otherwise you'd have to spend four runs unlocking and clearing it on your single progress grimoire.

It's not that all your buffs from all your grimoires go in. It's that all buffs from all traded grimoires go in. So, you have the leader of the buff run using the grimoire with access to the buff run, while the rest of the members use the progress grimoire on which you were clearing Assistant runs. Then when you go to do Silagilith, everyone will have bonus to spoils, because it will transfer over from those members to the person who led the bonus to spoils farming run.

[Marcicus]

Just did Silagilith with SAM SAM DRG SCH, Embrava zerged it down. Super easy, never got hit with Tectonic Shift once. Just make sure to kite it at the appropriate intervals. Wish we had brought a THF.

[NynJa]

Wish we had brought a THF.

This line gets old, its been how many years?

If buffs do not carry over, though, the issue that I still see is there is no reason to build a buff grimoire and having a second grimoire available to us serves no purpose besides having multiple static groups.

My understanding is you (3-6 people) use Dilligence to get access to boss fights, and you have one person with Avidity (will be pt leader when need arises) who only uses it to open fights (TH+, Bonus to spoils) so the other 2-5 people can have access to said fights.

Lets say you want to fight Goldwing:
Everyone trades their Dilligence Grimoire for Adjunct 1-4. You want to get Bonus to Spoils, so the person with Avidity trades and selects Researcher 4, but everyone else gives in their Dilligence Grimoire. You do the run, and now everyones Dilligence Grimoire (except the pt leader) has Bonus to Spoils buff. Now everyone trades in their Dilligence Grimoire, and fights Goldwing.

The Avidity Grimoire still has access to Researcher 4, so you can do it again at any time.

Once you complete Adjunct 2 it will unlock Assistant 2. Completing Adjunct 1 alone (the SS you posted) doesn't unlock any additional expeditions aside from Adjunct 2. Completing Adjunct 2 should unlock Adjunct 3 and Assistant 2.

Finishing up Salvage, I'll check whats available.

AD 1-4 complete, 5 accessible
AS 1-4 accessible
Other 3 are just rank 1 accessible.


Ok I just noticed this...the goal you complete doesnt affect the buff you get, just the marks? I got goal 3 on all the missions, and all my buffs are lv1?

[Marcicus]

This line gets old, its been how many years?



My understanding is you (3-6 people) use Dilligence to get access to boss fights, and you have one person with Avidity (will be pt leader when need arises) who only uses it to open fights (TH+, Bonus to spoils) so the other 2-5 people can have access to said fights.

Lets say you want to fight Goldwing:
Everyone trades their Dilligence Grimoire for Adjunct 1-4. You want to get Bonus to Spoils, so the person with Avidity trades and selects Researcher 4, but everyone else gives in their Dilligence Grimoire. You do the run, and now everyones Dilligence Grimoire (except the pt leader) has Bonus to Spoils buff. Now everyone trades in their Dilligence Grimoire, and fights Goldwing.

The Avidity Grimoire still has access to Researcher 4, so you can do it again at any time.


Finishing up Salvage, I'll check whats available.

AD 1-4 complete, 5 accessible
AS 1-4 accessible
Other 3 are just rank 1 accessible.


Ok I just noticed this...the goal you complete doesnt affect the buff you get, just the marks? I got goal 3 on all the missions, and all my buffs are lv1?

qq moar, and no I don't believe they do. My buffs are still level 1 and I've completed all 3 goals on nearly every mission save two.

[Slycer]

Ok I just noticed this...the goal you complete doesnt affect the buff you get, just the marks? I got goal 3 on all the missions, and all my buffs are lv1?

Yeah, you need to complete them repeatedly to level up buffs. The goal has no impact. Three completions maxes them out to level three, but "bonus to spoils" and "auto-reraise" only have one level each (galka help text says so).

[Cairthenn]

Do the boons come from the Grimoire of the person who entered?

[Garka]

Should it be adjusted in the wiki about the explanation of unlocking progress?

"Clearing expeditions higher than #1 will open that level of expedition in adjacent ranks, but all expeditions from #1 through #4 of one rank must be completed to unlock the 5th expedition. For example, clearing Assistant Expedition 2 will unlock Adjunct Expedition 2 and Instructor Expedition 2 without having to first complete the corresponding level 1 expeditions. This feature can be used to obtain specific status boons from individual expeditions of other ranks prior to embarking on a level 5 expedition."

From different accounts of people it seems that completing 1-4 in 1 rank unlocks 1-4 in the next rank up and below. Ex. adjunct 1-4 completed, 5 accessible, Assistant 1-4 accessible, other ranks only 1 accessible. Can this be confirmed, is it up and below, or just below? This is somewhat leaning on me definitely using a 2nd grim for buff farming if the boons do indeed carry over.

[Kenrusai]

Does anyone know what the megaboss is? Like, I realize it's an entire new mob, but judging by it's mat drops sounds like a Khimaira-type thing?

[Chimerawizard]

Grimoire with clears


Fresh Grimoire

And my theory is shot to hell with that. guess we won't be able to do bosses with fresh grimoires to save up bonuses >< w/e mule still has ability to take us into researcher 4, which is the only one we'll be spamming regardless of NM.

Edit: MegaBoss video is on youtube. he doesn't look all that tough. just gotta be ready to cure after his AoE critical HP move. just search his name or meeble burrows. it'll be one of the first ones.

[Garka]

Don't quite understand what you mean here.

[NynJa]

From different accounts of people it seems that completing 1-4 in 1 rank unlocks 1-4 in the next rank up and below. Ex. adjunct 1-4 completed, 5 accessible, Assistant 1-4 accessible, other ranks only 1 accessible. Can this be confirmed, is it up and below, or just below? This is somewhat leaning on me definitely using a 2nd grim for buff farming if the boons do indeed carry over.

I'm gonna clear out a couple Researcher ones on my "buff" grimoire in a couple days, I'll be able to let you know then.

[Slycer]

Do the boons come from the Grimoire of the person who entered?

For non-boss expeditions (#1-#4 of any rank), boons are only provided by the leader's grimoire as the leader's grimoire is the one that is being used to access the expedition. For boss expeditions, boons are provided by all players' grimoires since they are all being used for access (i.e. everyone gets all boons recorded in each grimoire that was traded to the Researcher).

Should it be adjusted in the wiki about the explanation of unlocking progress?

"Clearing expeditions higher than #1 will open that level of expedition in adjacent ranks, but all expeditions from #1 through #4 of one rank must be completed to unlock the 5th expedition. For example, clearing Assistant Expedition 2 will unlock Adjunct Expedition 2 and Instructor Expedition 2 without having to first complete the corresponding level 1 expeditions. This feature can be used to obtain specific status boons from individual expeditions of other ranks prior to embarking on a level 5 expedition."

From different accounts of people it seems that completing 1-4 in 1 rank unlocks 1-4 in the next rank up and below. Ex. adjunct 1-4 completed, 5 accessible, Assistant 1-4 accessible, other ranks only 1 accessible. Can this be confirmed, is it up and below, or just below? This is somewhat leaning on me definitely using a 2nd grim for buff farming if the boons do indeed carry over.

The wiki explanation is exactly correct and matches completely the account you posted. Completing an expedition in a rank unlocks that number of expedition in adjacent ranks. Boons DO NOT carry over from one grimoire to another, but they carry over from one player to another if different boons are recorded on grimoires that were traded for a boss (#5) expedition.

Does anyone know what the megaboss is? Like, I realize it's an entire new mob, but judging by it's mat drops sounds like a Khimaira-type thing?

It's referred to by game lore as an "Yztarg," and it's a totally new type of monster with completely new TP moves and behaviors. See Umagrhk to get an idea (drop list obviously incomplete, info based on test server).

[Garka]

I know it says adjacent but does that mean only the ranks after or does it include the ranks before, this was the question. No one said anything specific enough about it. Like if you do Associate Researcher does it unlock only Researcher, or does it unlock Instructor also. In the account I posted about it was talking about Adjunct rank, and there's nothing but a rank below it, not above, this is the overall reason for my question.

Did a few runs in a higher rank, and it does unlock before and after, answers my own question. Thanks on the reply though, Just needed to be certain.

[seiji]

My understanding is you (3-6 people) use Dilligence to get access to boss fights, and you have one person with Avidity (will be pt leader when need arises) who only uses it to open fights (TH+, Bonus to spoils) so the other 2-5 people can have access to said fights.

Lets say you want to fight Goldwing:
Everyone trades their Dilligence Grimoire for Adjunct 1-4. You want to get Bonus to Spoils, so the person with Avidity trades and selects Researcher 4, but everyone else gives in their Dilligence Grimoire. You do the run, and now everyones Dilligence Grimoire (except the pt leader) has Bonus to Spoils buff. Now everyone trades in their Dilligence Grimoire, and fights Goldwing.

The Avidity Grimoire still has access to Researcher 4, so you can do it again at any time.




AD 1-4 complete, 5 accessible
AS 1-4 accessible
Other 3 are just rank 1 accessible.


Ok I just noticed this...the goal you complete doesnt affect the buff you get, just the marks? I got goal 3 on all the missions, and all my buffs are lv1?

run1 everybody use dilligence to get access to boss
player1 use dilligence, other use avidity for buff runs
=> player1 have acces to boss+ buffs ondilligence, other have acces to boss on dilligence , buffs on avidity
everybody use dilligence to enter boss (buff from leader grimoire)



run2:
player2 use avidity, other use dilligence for 1-4
=> player1 have acces to boss and no buff on dilligence
player2 have acces to boss and buff on avidity
other have acces to boss on dilligence, buffs on avidity
player2 uses avidity, other use dilligence for boss, all have buffs from player2 avidity

......


so only need to farm buffs every 3-6 boss

[Slycer]

I know it says adjacent but does that mean only the ranks after or does it include the ranks before, this was the question.

Before and after, yeah. Obviously for Adjunct it's just the one after and Researcher just the one before since those are the first and last, but for the other three it's both before and after. I can change the wiki to be more specific there if it wasn't clear.

[Slycer]

...

so only need to farm buffs every 3-6 boss

Great idea, saves a couple extra farming tags. Would be every 3-5 bosses probably, because you wouldn't want to use all of the grimoires with R4 access up, or else you'd have to do R1/R2/R3 again to get access. BTW, Researcher 4 is fairly easy with 3 people (just need an AoE sleep or two for the meebles) and it gives a nice 3000 RM each with 3 people.

[Chimerawizard]

What I meant on my last post is I was under the assumption that "clear" was a held on the player and "boon" on grimoire. both are held on grimoire making something I posted a few pages back complete and total crap. ><

Great idea, saves a couple extra farming tags. Would be every 3-5 bosses probably, because you wouldn't want to use all of the grimoires with R4 access up, or else you'd have to do R1/R2/R3 again to get access. BTW, Researcher 4 is fairly easy with 3 people (just need an AoE sleep or two for the meebles) and it gives a nice 3000 RM each with 3 people.

Am I understanding this correct?

Spoiler: show

All members: 18/20 clears / Avidity grimoire (all clears less those who's boons do not increase with repeats) (those only the leader uses avidity others use dilligence)
Player 1(lead): Adjunct 1-5 / Avidity grimoire
Player 2(lead): Assistant 1-5 / Avidity grimoire
Player 3(lead): Instructor 1-5 / Avidity grimoire
Player 4(lead): Associate R 1-5 / Avidity grimoire
Player 5(lead): Researcher 1-5 / Avidity grimoire
Player 6(lead): R Emeritus / Avidity grimoire
All members (-Lead): Dilligence Grimoire
That way leader always does the boss w/ some lv2 buffs (level 3 if you repeat 18 clears a 2nd time with avidity)

That makes sense; but it kinda sucks that you're taking an extra 18~36 tags to do it like that though. Well, compared with not having Boons aside from what the tier you are doing has to offer.

[Slycer]

That makes sense; but it kinda sucks that you're taking an extra 18~36 tags to do it like that though. Well, compared with not having Boons aside from what the tier you are doing has to offer.

The system does undeniably suck. That was the main point behind the post I made on the official forums which it seems that many others support. The 20 hours would be fine if it was easier to access the bosses. Likewise, the restriction on accessing the bosses would be fine if we could do the event more often. Both together, though, is a tough pill to swallow.

I'm not sure why you suggest getting every clear first, though, the vast majority of those buffs are unnecessary. If you are gunning for Umagrhk, the fewest runs it could take is 26. Five per boss, one extra for Umagrhk. Add in one extra run per boss for "bonus to spoils" and three extra runs to access the bonus to spoils expedition and you're looking at about 35 runs. You may want to farm some other buffs like Auto-Reraise or whatever before Umagrhk to be safe since you definitely don't want to burn that pop.

The only thing we're missing right now is what happens after you beat everything. Perhaps there's some way to re-purchase the key items (the NPC dialog tables hint at it) with marks or whatever... we won't know for another couple weeks.

[Chimerawizard]

In that case, you shouldn't ever need to do R1-3 again to get access to R4; one person keeps an avidity permanently w/ R4 access and only uses it for "bonus to spoils."

damnit now i'm confused as to what everyone is talking about; maybe translate for me what Seiji is talking about. ><

I would also like to know what is unlocked with that "Full Clear" catagory mentioned in earlier posts.