Random Question Thread: Fuck it.

[pchan]

Yes it clearly is because you haven't even read what you quoted of mine. Here, let me bold it for you.



Apparently 'in this thread' = 'in the mythic thread' in your head even though this is the RQT.

Let's run through this step by step

1. Someone brings up Taint's Ig numbers where DRK > MNK
2. You then post in this thread stating 'double march, double minuets, dia 2, RCB and boost-dex is not exactly wrong buff'. ZERO mention of Madrigal just like I said even though it was used for your Ig numbers.
3. I then say that 'Note that he mentions no Acc buffs in his post in this thread but MNK has capped acc for his calculations in the mythic thread.'

Note that I very clearly say you do not make mention of Acc buffs in this thread and also clearly show that Acc buffs were used in the Mythic thread. You left Madrigal off in this thread when stating buffs because it's a stupid buff for DRK's.

So yes reading is clearly incredibly hard for you because I have always acknowledged that you used Acc buffs in the Mythic thread but made no mention of them in this thread. You are trying to act like I said you did not mention them in the Mythic thread which I never once said. I always ackonwledged they were used, I just stated you did not mention them in this thread (I.e. RQT)

Also, still waiting for you to show what is wrong with Taint's numbers which clearly show DRK > MNK under your stipulated buffs. And the DRK is even missing Madrigals in Taints calcs.

You can't go telling people MNK > DRK when the numbers show otherwise. Show us what is wrong with Taint's numbers if MNK > DRK because clearly the spreadsheet does not agree with you. Not talking Souleater numbers here, I'm talking his Souleater Down numbers which still have DRK at higher DPS than MNK.

First you just claimed earlier that I mysteriously assumed feint on every mob of the thread to advantage mnk so stop being an idiot. You prentend I falsify numbers, nothing less.

Second, you know what ? I'm done. It's ok you want to be right while never doing the comparisons. My thread have a set buff and a set piece of gear for all the job I used which are all very high. My numbers are all verified by the spreadsheet. If you or anyone else find different numbers that because you assumed different buffs or different mobs. Feel free to consider I made a 100% error lol.

[Byrthnoth]

No, because Warding Circle doesn't affect DL or ADL.

Edit: I checked my chat logs and found 0 instances of "Dynamis Lord is intimidated", even though I know we used to use Warding Circle. Confirmed!

[grevenilvec75]

idk what you're really hoping for.

DDing:
WS (when you have >100TP)
Restraint (when it's up)
Berserk (when it's up)
Aggressor (when you need it)
Blood Rage (when Blood Rage isn't already on, set an order up with your party)
Warcry (when Blood Rage is down - set an order up with your party)
Warrior's Charge (before WSing when it is up)
Mighty Strikes (when you need extra oomph)
Tomahawk (when the monster has special defenses and isn't an undead you're Banish 3-ing)
Hasso (keep it up, but you shouldn't really need to use this when engaged)

Other:
Provoke (when you want to pull a monster to yourself)
Retaliation (pre-fight when you are fighting anything with counterable attacks and won't be running around too much)
Defender (never)
Sekkanoki (pre-fight when you have 175+ TP)
Meditate (only when disengaged in high haste situations)
Warding Circle (when fighting Demons)


Try to pre-use JAs if you're pulling/about to start fighting, especially for zergs where you/the monster is never going to outlive your buffs like ADL. I'd go in to ADL with Berserk, Aggressor, Restraint, Retaliation, Hasso, Sekkanoki, and Warrior's Charge. If I was popping, I'd use Blood Rage just before pop.


I am not much of a fan of Warrior's Charge anymore, really. If you have Fighter's Roll then Warrior's Charge represents about +0.5 fTP to your WS. That's what, an average of +10% damage to Upheaval? That's not even better than just meleeing for another second with capped Haste and Fighter's Roll. I'd rather just give another 14 TP Bonus with my Warcry and have one fewer thing to think about.

This is pretty much what i was looking for.

According to your ffxiah page though you still have 1 in warrior's charge.

[Byrthnoth]

This is pretty much what i was looking for.

According to your ffxiah page though you still have 1 in warrior's charge.

I took it out, but I'm still debating whether I should put it back in or not. I hate using more JAs than I have to and don't think it really helps that much, though.

[Taint]

If you or anyone else find different numbers that because you USED CORRECT GEAR SETS. Feel free to consider I made a 100% error lol.

FTFY

Mobs and buffs are the same, you can verify that.

[Jem]

First you just claimed earlier that I mysteriously assumed feint on every mob of the thread to advantage mnk so stop being an idiot. You prentend I falsify numbers, nothing less.

Second, you know what ? I'm done. It's ok you want to be right while never doing the comparisons. My thread have a set buff and a set piece of gear for all the job I used which are all very high. My numbers are all verified by the spreadsheet. If you or anyone else find different numbers that because you assumed different buffs or different mobs. Feel free to consider I made a 100% error lol.

From your Mythic thread.

Feint, goodbye acc builds.

Ok, you didn't use Feint in the end. You used Double Mad. I knew there was Acc buffs of some sort in play which you didn't mention in this thread and that was my point. You gave Acc buffs which massively benefit the MNK but the DRK did not need (and the DRK still wins anyway) which you left off in your info in this thread. Although nice job suggesting I said it for every mob when literally the only reference I made to Feint was in regards to the Ig numbers.



I did the comparisons and I got the same DPS as Taint which is why I keep calling you out on this shit. His figures are just already conveniently posted here so it's easier to reference them.

And no, there is no assumed different buffs. Look at Taint's figures and buffs. They are identical buffs to what you use (except he hasn't given the DRK Madrigal) which is what has been said time and time and time again and you just completely ignore them. Taint is using the same buffs as you and getting 400 DPS. Why don't you look at what he posted and point out exactly what he is giving DRK different to what you did because an extra 112 DPS is a pretty fucking huge discrepency so any difference so be glaringly obvious.

There is no difference and you know it otherwise you could very easily point it out to shut us all up. Unless you can show what is different between Taint's buffs and yours then yes, you do falsify figures because Taint's figures match what happens when you use Mote's spreadsheet and yours do not.

[Loire]

No, because Warding Circle doesn't affect DL or ADL.

Edit: I checked my chat logs and found 0 instances of "Dynamis Lord is intimidated", even though I know we used to use Warding Circle. Confirmed!

Heh was going to do that when home from work. Not that I didn't believe you <.<

[Jem]

No, because Warding Circle doesn't affect DL or ADL.

Edit: I checked my chat logs and found 0 instances of "Dynamis Lord is intimidated", even though I know we used to use Warding Circle. Confirmed!

Hamanoha doesn't work on him (like it doesn't let you use it) which confirms he isn't classed as a Demon.

[Vyvian]

And no, there is no assumed different buffs. Look at Taint's figures and buffs. They are identical buffs to what you use (except he hasn't given the DRK Madrigal) which is what has been said time and time and time again and you just completely ignore them. Taint is using the same buffs as you and getting 400 DPS. Why don't you look at what he posted and point out exactly what he is giving DRK different to what you did because an extra 112 DPS is a pretty fucking huge discrepency so any difference so be glaringly obvious.

The difference is Taint changed equipment, isn't it?

[Jem]

It's the only difference I can discern yes although I'd be surprised if gear alone made a 112 DPS difference. There's probably something else involved too. As much as I give Pchan shit, I honestly don't know if it's intentional or an error in his spreadsheet or what. All I know that is Ragna is not at 288 DPS even with bad gear (Pchan's gear choice wasn't optimal but it wasn't absolutely godawful either).

[Martel]

Were Arch DL's exact stats ever nailed down?

[ccl]

Were Arch DL's exact stats ever nailed down?

Pure eyeballing from not that much run make it feels like it's a lotttt weaker than Qilin, if anyone has a pop and wanna test server can find his lvl on test server with flashy shot rng if that isn't found yet, wouldn't surprise me if it is lower lvl than us.

[Jem]

I agree with the notion that if there is level correction on it, it certainly isn't much. I don't really notice any damage difference (eyeballing) between DL and ADL so potentially capping out against both with no correction.

[crux]

NIN or WAR for a red proc dual-box job? I had intended on NIN, since it would make storage a little easier on me since I have MNK, but I can hit more procs with WAR. Is survivability high enough with WAR+WHM? I want red procs pretty much just for empy dual-boxing, as BLU-burning for gold boxes isn't always reliable.

If the answer turns out to be favorable for WAR, I have a follow-up question (you my man for this one, Jem): My storage is reaching critical mass (I still try to fish once and a while too), but I want a two-handed job regardless. My plan was for DRK, as it fits nicely with my gung-ho mage mentality, but I've heard plenty that pound for pound WAR wields those bandwagonRags mightier than DRK does. I'm only a bandwagoner when I need to be (see above paragraph), but if there's no utility for a DRK if I have WAR, I'll just save some inventory and jump on the wagon.

Edit: That second paragraph did not contain a question. Here goes: DRK?

[Taint]

Pure eyeballing from not that much run make it feels like it's a lotttt weaker than Qilin, if anyone has a pop and wanna test server can find his lvl on test server with flashy shot rng if that isn't found yet, wouldn't surprise me if it is lower lvl than us.

I'd guess the same. Doesn't seem to be any correction. If you back into the math on some of the 13k MS Resolutions there is no room for level correction.

[Jem]

If there's 2 hours involved then WAR (EDIT: Yours, not others I mean). If there isn't then DRK. There's never been a scenario where I've thought 'I know, I'll go Rag WAR today' outside of 'I'm gonna be MS'ing shit'.

In all honesty though, DRK + WAR share a lot of Ragna gear and for DRK the vast majority of what isn't shared is porter moogle-able (depending on how hardcore you want to gear it). For just DD'ing purposes the only things I can think of off hand that aren't storable for Ragna DRK (and aren't WAR useable) are Ganesha's Mala, Hagneia Stone and Ace's Leggings (Disclaimer: That's off the top of my head). Your mileage will vary if you pick up more obscure pieces or pick up sets that aren't Ragna related. So really it wouldn't be that bad to have both (depending on how crippled your invent is).

I can't help you with the first question though as I haven't done Abyssea for a long, long time outside of 'Jem come make this dead for me'.

[Romyro]

Drauga and Orthus are pretty simple with 85 Vereth Mnk and Whm right?

I mean I know Whm and Mnk can do almost anything but I’ve really only done these 2 in larger 5-8 manned parties. Trying to avoid getting too many people involved for yet another one of these type weapons.

I did solo Dragua Bst but it was a long boring fight and not sure I want to fight 60+ more that way. I did that with Alfard and yeah…I can ‘do’ it but takes fo-eva.

Wouldn’t say I have the greatest –DT set. Would I do RR/GH/Fut Fab? Or maybe use Daruga’s/Orthur’s atmas over FF?

I’ve got a 85 Ukon and couple buds away from 85 Vereth that I plan on 90-ing

[NynJa]

NIN or WAR for a red proc dual-box job? I had intended on NIN, since it would make storage a little easier on me since I have MNK, but I can hit more procs with WAR. Is survivability high enough with WAR+WHM? I want red procs pretty much just for empy dual-boxing, as BLU-burning for gold boxes isn't always reliable.

For all extensive purposes, NIN is subbing war in abyssea.
Club NIN + WAR
Dagger NIN. WAR if proper SJ (THF RDM BRD RNG DNC NIN, none of which are proper SJ's in abyssea)
Great Katana NIN, WAR/SAM with an event GKT can hit Jinpu, can skill up to Koki with GKT merits and a mix of Bushi/Justice Torque, Hachimaki
Great Sword WAR, no All Jobs GSD exists
Katana NIN, WAR if /nin with merits and katana+ gear (and war doesnt sub nin in abyssea)
Polearm WAR, NIN with pitchfork
Scythe WAR, NIN with Ark Scythe
Staff NIN + WAR
Sword NIN + WAR

NIN can hit more procs, presuming you have access to a pitchfork and ark scythe.

[Taint]

Drauga and Orthus are pretty simple with 85 Vereth Mnk and Whm right?

I mean I know Whm and Mnk can do almost anything but I’ve really only done these 2 in larger 5-8 manned parties. Trying to avoid getting too many people involved for yet another one of these type weapons.

I did solo Dragua Bst but it was a long boring fight and not sure I want to fight 60+ more that way. I did that with Alfard and yeah…I can ‘do’ it but takes fo-eva.

Wouldn’t say I have the greatest –DT set. Would I do RR/GH/Fut Fab? Or maybe use Daruga’s/Orthur’s atmas over FF?

I’ve got a 85 Ukon and couple buds away from 85 Vereth that I plan on 90-ing

Definitely duoable. I did the entire 90vere trial with my mule.

I did the first few MNK+WHM but then just went NIN(me)+SAM/THF(mule) and brew locked them using Jinpu with my mule. Cap amber and farm chest on NIN, run Dragua over to the martello and brew him. Rinse and repeat, was a super fast and easy trial. You can run Dragua past the martello and start each brew with a SA+Jinpu.

[Mercilessturtle]

My plan was for DRK, as it fits nicely with my gung-ho mage mentality, but I've heard plenty that pound for pound WAR wields those bandwagonRags mightier than DRK does.

Nah, ukon war > ragna drk > ragna war.

Drauga and Orthus are pretty simple with 85 Vereth Mnk and Whm right?

They are easy as anyDD + whm, using normal DD atmas. You don't even need damage reduction gear, so a shitty set is fine.