The Terror Of Catcalling

[Churchill]

It's not really an argument, and you didn't win it last time.

[Galkaeater]

I should really learn to wolfwhistle

[djzombie]

but how many guys have you met that are/were afraid of being raped or molestation (outside of prison)?

[kuronosan]

This has happened to my wife too, when she was younger. Mexicans were the culprits, too. It seems like guys knowingly check out girls who look like they're about to hit their Quince and suddenly they want to fuck like dogs.

It's all particular to the culture. If you have guys that were raised to treat women like meat, surprise, they're going to treat women like meat.

It just so happens that in the Mexican culture (maybe not so much anymore, I dunno, I'm not Mexican) they're taught that women are submissive and need to stfu and put out. This is prevalent in many Hispanic cultures.

[Kuya]

Is it all latinoes who do this, or just ones from specific countries? I ask this, because like a year ago the chicks in class were complaining about how some guys are very aggressive when they hit on them. The girls in class seemed particularly upset with dominicans, whom, they claim, not just give them cat calls, but actually chase after them. At first i thought it might be cultural things from dominicans, but now i am wondering if it has more to do with income class.

[archibaldcrane]

I think it more has to do with being a rapey asshole.

[Tajin]

It just so happens that in the Mexican culture (maybe not so much anymore, I dunno, I'm not Mexican) they're taught that women are submissive and need to stfu and put out.

Close but no cookie for you; men are taught to bend women into submission.

[Kuya]

I think it more has to do with being a rapey asshole.

Rapey is such a great word.

Anyway, i know some people in this thread have been making light of females being too sensitive too being hit on, but when it comes to actively being chased, i can only say what the fuck

[SamanosukeShiva]

I came here expecting a story about a band of gangsters training feral housecats to be their killing machines, terrorizing the neighborhood.

[Eurell]

Rapey is such a great word.

Anyway, i know some people in this thread have been making light of females being too sensitive too being hit on, but when it comes to actively being chased, i can only say what the fuck

Yeah, definitely a huge difference between a dude smiling at you, and then you imagining he is gonna jack off on your face, and some dude chasing you down calling you a slut for ignoring him.

[The Stig]

In the UK I've noticed this more on Indian/Pakistani Asians than anything else. While at a work placement, I befriended what seems to be a naive indian girl. She's all modern and shit, and while she doesn't dress sluttily, she does seem to unknowningly flaunt herself.

I noticed the "catcalling" from fellow asians. She absolutely hates it and calls them "disgusting". Yet, I ask her why dress like that as it is what is causing, she is unable to answer me. I pointed out her tight jeans which basically shows her curves on her ass, and sometimes her top. But she doesn't get it (?). She told me some guys follow her around in clubs, but not after, etc. When some random asian guy points out she's got a nice ass she just ignores them and thinks of them as "sick".

This annoyed me in my little quest to help her. Either she knows it all or is one dumb fuck, and I'm siding with the latter. She asks why all men are like this to her, and that it's all disgusting, and how there are never any decent men around, etc etc etc. I do not think it is an act, as I experienced something which convinced me she does not seem to know anything or is selectively ignoring it. She actually finds anything sexually related sickening. We were having an after work dinner and was watching some film* on TV, and at one point, an female actor on the film started touching herself in the bath of milk water. She got the remote and turned off the TV. I asked "what are you doing?" She said it's sick and that we should wait a couple of minutes before switching the TV back on. I asked her "well you do that too don't you?" and she gave me a horrified look. I apologised and shrugged it off, but deeply I tried hard as fuck not to laugh out loud. That moment was too cute and yet too shocking.

As I'm not Indian I don't think she is listening to me fully despite me making a game out of it sometimes when in town, but yet all the other indian dudes/people seem to tell her otherwise which she unfortunately listens to religiously and therefore overriding any truth I seem to give her. I've walked around/hung out with other girls (white mainly) in town before and not evidenced any other catcalling, so in this case I believe it's more evident in the asian communities.

*I forget the film name but it was a horror of some sort, which involves masks. It's some girl trapped in some mansion by her mum and befriends some posh/good looking visitor and she has sexual fantasies for. If anyone know of and can identify this film please let me know haha, I want to look it up to find out what the hell it was about.

[Ashmada]

She might just be asexual. At any rate, telling a girl she's got a nice ass as the first thing you say to her? I'd find it peculiar at the very least.

I don't think one can really excuse catcalling. Looking, yeah, sometimes one can't help it; but one really doesn't have to shout anything, regardless of how she's dressed.

[Plow]

Rapey is such a great word.

Anyway, i know some people in this thread have been making light of females being too sensitive too being hit on, but when it comes to actively being chased, i can only say what the fuck

I don't think anybody's legitimately saying that kind of shit is ok.

But not doing shit "for fear of being relentlessly stared at" is just incredibly lulzy.

[Nephlite]

Kinda sounds like she's in culture shock. If you come from a culture that everyone looks or dresses the same and there's no subject to "catcalling" because that's how everyone is, then you're introduced in to another culture where you seem attractive to someone else, you might just get that culture shock from being exposed to this new behavior.

Had a similar encounter with a girl I tried to date and ended up getting friendzoned because she had an arranged marriage. This was back in college and she's from India so when she came to the states, she dressed like all the women here. Stretch pants/fur boots, tight t-shirts, etc. And she had one amazing figure that everyone stared at. She asked me why everyone stared at her and I said "Well don't you think you're beautiful?" and she just laughed and said "Where i'm from, everyone is beautiful. No one is ugly." Couldn't help but think that maybe our society is without culture. Then I shook it off and went back to porn.

[The Stig]

Ah in this case it was extra special!

She comes from Birmingham, 2nd largest city in the UK next to London. She's born in the UK. She lived away from home with all sorts of people since university, so a good 7+ years away from home. There is no possible fucking way to have escaped all in that time. She goes out and gets drunk to shit. It's impossible.

Your friend from India is lying about where she comes from and everyone is beautiful. Unless you're from the good/rich area, but even so, like in China, most Asians I've seen so far anywhere are divided into 2 types:

1. Fugly/disgusting
2. Absolutely pretty/goddess tier

There is no in between to settle on unlike whites (this is based on my view as a Chinese male). Whereas everyday I'm going around London I'd see several people nicely 4-6/10 in the middle I'd happily settle with.

If you watched the Olympics and saw the women from different nations I think you could agree with me there, but culturally and racially our views towards women may be different.

Which leaves one thing. So if your friend does come from a rich/good area, the men there are most likely a bit more civilised/sensible. Take her to some other city in India where the poorer population dominate, I bet she'd be catcalled/attempted molestation. So it's quite likely she's very naive about how the world works, like most of them. Did you know babies are made by going into bed at night together and holding hands?

[Nephlite]

Well I haven't talked to her in quite some time. She moved back to India as far as I know after she got her degree. It's surprising to me how (ignorant? clueless?) some people are when they get introduced in to unfamiliar territory.

Back in the academy, there was a pretty little white chick who came from upstate California. Interacting with people in the academy proved to be difficult for her mostly because of the way people talk to each other day in and day out. She asked me once what was up with the word "nigger" and why some of the other trainees used it and cussed a lot. She explained where she came from, there were no black people and maybe one or two Asians (no Hispanic if you can believe that). She didn't understand why people (men mostly) were loud, obnoxious, rude, and otherwise didn't talk about anything but sports and banging chicks. I told her it was a culture thing and she needed to get used to it if she was going to survive. She didn't come from a rich area, it was just different.

Then the higher-ups did something REALLY brilliant and stuck her in prostitution as soon as she had her handgun certs. I heard stories that some of the veterans and detectives had to take an absurd amount of time trying to give her a "make over" which included speaking slang, how to appear down on your luck, how to dress and act like a slut, and how to interact with the culture of D.C. (mostly black). To this day I don't think I've ever met anyone who's more intelligent/booksmart and very well spoken, but can turn insta-ghetto and snap-neck bitch mode like she can when she's running with her crew.

[Milkster]

As a result of her research, Dines believes that pornography is driving men to commit particular acts of violence towards women. “I am not saying that a man reads porn and goes out to rape,” she says, “but what I do know is that porn gives permission to its consumers to treat women as they are treated in porn.” In a recent study, 80% of men said that the one sex act they would most like to perform is to ejaculate on a woman’s face; in 2007, a comment stream on the website Jezebel.com included a number of women who said that, on a first date, they had, to their surprise, experienced their sexual partner ejaculating on their faces without asking.
Sexual assault centres in US colleges have said that more women are reporting anal rape, which Dines attributes directly to the normalisation of such practices in pornography. “The more porn sexualises violence against women, the more it normalises and legitimises sexually abusive behaviour. Men learn about sex from porn, and in porn nothing is too painful or degrading for women.” Dines also says that what she calls “childified porn” has significantly increased in popularity in recent years, with almost 14m internet searches for “teen sex” in 2006, an increase of more than 60% since 2004. There are legal sites that feature hardcore images of extremely young-looking women being penetrated by older men, with disclaimers stating all the models are 18 and over. Dines is clear that regular exposure to such material has an effect of breaking down the taboo about having sex with children.
She recently interviewed a number of men in prison who had committed rape against children. All were habitual users of child pornography. “What they said to me was they got bored with ‘regular’ porn and wanted something fresh. They were horrified at the idea of sex with a prepubescent child initially but within six months they had all raped a child.”
What can we expect next from the industry? “Nobody knows, including pornographers,” she says, “but they are all looking for something more extreme, more shocking.” She recently interviewed a well-known pornographer, while his latest film played in the background. It contained a scene of a woman being anally penetrated while kneeling in a coffin.
In Dines’s view, the best way to address the rise of internet pornography is to raise public awareness about its actual content, and name it as a public health issue by bringing together educators, health professionals, community activists, parents and anti-violence experts to create materials that educate the public. “Just as we had anti-smoking campaigns, we need an anti-porn campaign that alerts people to the individual and cultural harms it creates.”
“Myths about those of us who hate pornography also need to be dispelled in order to gain more support from progressives,” she says. “The assumption that if you are a woman who hates pornography you are against sex shows how successful the industry is at collapsing porn into sex.” Would the critics of the employment practices and products at McDonald’s be accused of being anti-eating, she asks pointedly

Also, the second CiF comment (drawn to my attention by lutheranturtleowl):
At last someone speaking out against a subject which has concerned me increasingly in recent years. I am single and far from prudish but I have been horrified by the clear change in expectations regarding woman and sex in the last decade, both as a doctor hearing my colleagues’ stories of increasing numbers of young girls coming into A&E after violent anal rape at parties or other social venues (unheard of a decade ago), and also as a woman at how many (almost exclusively younger) men want you to be “a bit more porn” during sex. To any man thinking that a woman wants or enjoys having her face ejaculated onto, my advice is you try it first and we’ll see how you like it. All power to Gail Dines in the meantim

The problem is porn.

[archibaldcrane]

What, girls can ejaculate on me, but I can't do it to them?

What is this bullshit?

[Salodin]

What, girls can ejaculate on me, but I can't do it to them?

What is this bullshit?

Stealing this next time some one bitches about facials.

[Milkster]

Stealing this next time some one bitches about facials.

Ejaculating on someone's face is a lot different that their genitals/body.