CEO: Massive layoffs if Obama is reelected

**hey** · 2012-10-12 05:54

Originally Posted by Avinor

There is a real and growing entitlement problem in this country, and this guy is the poster boy for it.

Sounds about right.

**Ashmada** · 2012-10-12 05:55

Originally Posted by Renzokuken

For what? The business this man has built has directly and completely funded the livelihoods of thousands of Americans. You can make a case for hating the exorbitant luxurious lifestyle that this man has created for himself, but in my opinion successful people are afforded that luxury if they want it. Are all millionaires/billionaires pieces of shit just because they have money? Do you hate people like Michael Jordan? He probably has nearly as much money and luxuries as this guy but he has had no where near 7,000 employees that he has had to support.

Michael Jordan has blackmailed thousands of people? Tried to rig an election? Claims all those less fortunate than him are people that "overspent their paychecks"? While overspending his own (huge) paycheck?

Don't be that dense.

i believe it's Themistocles (an august name in the history of democracy) that said it first: "democracy will cease to exist when asshole CEOs pressure citizens into voting for their favoured candidates. PS: Fuck this David Siegel guy."

**Skyylya** · 2012-10-12 06:38

I am going to work now so, won't be able to respond to the comments surely to disagree with me. I don't know this guy, his past, or what kind of a dick he is but it sounds like most people in this thread have no concept of what it's like to be a business owner under Obama.

I can't say I wouldn't do the same thing if Obama got re-elected. My father in law, and wife's step father both run businesses here in central Florida and both of them have been getting royally fucked by Obama. This guy is a lawyer who sounds good but doesn't know shit. I am not a Romney supporter but at least he's a business man and might be able to help economically. And, I'm not advocating that Romney is better, I am certainly though saying that Obama is worse.

**RKenshin** · 2012-10-12 08:17

Originally Posted by Renzokuken

For what? The business this man has built has directly and completely funded the livelihoods of thousands of Americans. You can make a case for hating the exorbitant luxurious lifestyle that this man has created for himself, but in my opinion successful people are afforded that luxury if they want it. Are all millionaires/billionaires pieces of shit just because they have money? Do you hate people like Michael Jordan? He probably has nearly as much money and luxuries as this guy but he has had no where near 7,000 employees that he has had to support.

You act like this man singlehandedly created a whole new market/industry/product. He didn't.

Odds are, those 7,000 employees he created jobs for would simply be working at his competitors locations (or other jobs) if he never created his business. The idea that all of those 7k employees would be jobless if not for his business is ridiculous.

It’s not like he employees highly specialized workers in a unique field. These are desk clerks, cleaning staff, cooks, etc. And by the very principles of the free market theory we all love to have thrown in our face time and time again, if the demand for those jobs remains constant then they simply would’ve got the same job with a different company(s) that capitalized on the demand gained in the absence of an additional competitor.

**Ashmada** · 2012-10-12 08:34

Indeed, the idea of "job creators" has always been quite flawed. There was a need, it has been filled. If it hadn't been filled by X, it would've been filled by Y. And if Y is composed of several smaller businesses rather than a giant megacorp, chances are it aggregately employs more people.

The idea that if there were no (or insufficient) hotels in the area nobody would ever open one and everyone would sit on their hands is just ludicrous.

**Eurell** · 2012-10-12 09:01

Originally Posted by Skyylya

I am going to work now so, won't be able to respond to the comments surely to disagree with me. I don't know this guy, his past, or what kind of a dick he is but it sounds like most people in this thread have no concept of what it's like to be a business owner under Obama.

I can't say I wouldn't do the same thing if Obama got re-elected. My father in law, and wife's step father both run businesses here in central Florida and both of them have been getting royally fucked by Obama. This guy is a lawyer who sounds good but doesn't know shit. I am not a Romney supporter but at least he's a business man and might be able to help economically. And, I'm not advocating that Romney is better, I am certainly though saying that Obama is worse.

Honest questions, not trying to be rude. What did Obama do to fuck them? and how might Romney be able to help? Something specific please, not just 'he's a businessman so he knows'.

**kuronosan** · 2012-10-12 10:21

Originally Posted by Skyylya

I am going to work now so, won't be able to respond to the comments surely to disagree with me. I don't know this guy, his past, or what kind of a dick he is but it sounds like most people in this thread have no concept of what it's like to be a business owner under Obama.

I can't say I wouldn't do the same thing if Obama got re-elected. My father in law, and wife's step father both run businesses here in central Florida and both of them have been getting royally fucked by Obama. This guy is a lawyer who sounds good but doesn't know shit. I am not a Romney supporter but at least he's a business man and might be able to help economically. And, I'm not advocating that Romney is better, I am certainly though saying that Obama is worse.

Getting real tired of this "Romney knows better because he knows business".

What the fuck does he know about business and how would he be a better president?

If you can't answer that, then shut the fuck up.

**Guyverarmor** · 2012-10-12 10:35

These are the same people who call obama supporters "un-informed".

**Seraph** · 2012-10-12 10:52

If he really knows business so well it just means he knows how to fuck you harder.

**Guyverarmor** · 2012-10-12 11:08

Originally Posted by Seraph

If he really knows business so well it just means he knows how to fuck you harder.

/Thread. End of fucking discussion.

**Skyylya** · 2012-10-12 11:20

Originally Posted by kuronosan

Getting real tired of this "Romney knows better because he knows business".

What the fuck does he know about business and how would he be a better president?

If you can't answer that, then shut the fuck up.

Did you even read what I said? I said Romney is a business man vs Obama who is a lawyer. Both will suck but I'd rather risk Romney than Obama whom has already proven to suck. Obama puts a strangle on small business with rising insurance and unempmoyment costs forcing companies to cut costs and/ or downsize laying people off. These people laid off then join into the socialist programs supported by Obama and even though his policies cost them their jobs they love him for the handouts they get after. Its a nice socialist cycle for Obama to screw people and still get their votes. Typing on phone at work. Can elaborate later if you like.

**kuronosan** · 2012-10-12 11:23

I would very much like that.

**Weeks** · 2012-10-12 11:23

Originally Posted by Eurell

Honest questions, not trying to be rude. What did Obama do to fuck them? and how might Romney be able to help? Something specific please, not just 'he's a businessman so he knows'.

100 to 1 it's Obamacare putting the onus of medical care on the business (And ultimately its customers) instead of everyone who is insured and/or paying taxes. Really sorry your businesses might suffer when people realize the secondary costs of employees making $7 an hour with no benefits.

**Skyylya** · 2012-10-12 11:36

I guess also to add, it is very telling of Obama's campaign. In the debate all he talked about what he plans to do, nothing about things he's already been doing and plans to continue to do. Mainly because he hasn't done anything positive for this country as a whole in 4a years. And, his commercials mainly talk about Romney only paying 14%for on his tax return. 14% on what Romney earns is more taxes paid than what most Americans will pay in taxes over their entire lives.

I know my cost of living has increased over the last four years and my relative income has not. In my microeconomic existence thats all that matters to me as a potential voter. Economically things have gotten worse for me every year Obama has been in office. Will Romney fix things? Perhaps not, will Obama fix things? I am certain he won't.

**Guyverarmor** · 2012-10-12 11:44

What I find funny though is that it took about 10-12 years or so for the US to finally get OUT of the Great Depression. Have we had minimal economic growth since he took office ? Yes, I will agree to it. But bitching about not getting us out of the hole in 4 years compared to what took 12 years last time is fucking stupid, plain and simple.

**Skyylya** · 2012-10-12 11:46

Originally Posted by Weeks

100 to 1 it's Obamacare putting the onus of medical care on the business (And ultimately its customers) instead of everyone who is insured and/or paying taxes. Really sorry your businesses might suffer when people realize the secondary costs of employees making $7 an hour with no benefits.

That is a part of it for my wifes step father. He runs a small metal welding and fabrication plant and has 6not employees and doesnt have enormous profit margins. The guys he hires are guys who walk up off the street basically begging for an opprtunity, guys who probably couldnt work at McDonalds if they wanted but they can operate a machine and make a buck. So now instead of growing and hiring more he's either in stasis or cutting back. This is the type of small business getting hurt, not the multi million/bilkion dollar companies.

**Skyylya** · 2012-10-12 11:48

Originally Posted by Guyverarmor

What I find funny though is that it took about 10-12 years or so for the US to finally get OUT of the Great Depression. Have we had minimal economic growth since he took office ? Yes, I will agree to it. But bitching about not getting us out of the hole in 4 years compared to what took 12 years last time is fucking stupid, plain and simple.

I would be fine if things were even the same or close to where things were 4you years ago. The fact is that he's dug it exponentially deeper.

**Guyverarmor** · 2012-10-12 11:50

by 5 or 6 trillion dollars yes. I'm more amazed though people find this worse than Bush burning through 2 trillion surplus and ending at about 10 trillion in debt when he left.

**Weeks** · 2012-10-12 11:52

Good. As a medically-insured taxpayer I'm sick of paying for his employees' care so that he can keep his prices artificially low. Keeping his business going by pushing the costs aside to the collective? Pretty sure there's a word for that.

**Churchill** · 2012-10-12 11:53

Originally Posted by Skyylya

That is a part of it for my wifes step father. He runs a small metal welding and fabrication plant and has 6not employees and doesnt have enormous profit margins. The guys he hires are guys who walk up off the street basically begging for an opprtunity, guys who probably couldnt work at McDonalds if they wanted but they can operate a machine and make a buck. So now instead of growing and hiring more he's either in stasis or cutting back. This is the type of small business getting hurt, not the multi million/bilkion dollar companies.

What do those guys do if they lose a hand operating his machinery?

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