CEO: Massive layoffs if Obama is reelected

[Grey Jorildyn]

is being as greedy as legally possible wrong?

I refer to these quips not as "wrong" but as "socially irresponsible".

[Salodin]

So if the public opinion holds that businesses are not people, does that give them free reign to hold profits above all else again? Silly reasoning, or silly for us to hold businesses responsible for the health of its employes? (Assuming the business didn't cause the illness).

[Talint]

is being as greedy as legally possible wrong?

I don't think it matters whether or not it's wrong. People are held to additional standards on what is or isn't wrong. Moreover, corporations are not held accountable for things they do wrong (until the government decides to do something about it).

So if the public opinion holds that businesses are not people, does that give them free reign to hold profits above all else again? Silly reasoning, or silly for us to hold businesses responsible for the health of its employes? (Assuming the business didn't cause the illness).

Yes, a business as its bearing is not a person, gives them free reign to hold profits above all else. This the point of a business.

[BaneTheBrawler]

The problem arises not when businesses place profits above all else, but when they exclude all other concerns for the sake of profit.

[kuronosan]

The problem arises not when businesses place profits above all else, but when they exclude all other concerns for the sake of profit.

This.

[archibaldcrane]

Well, there's going to develop a rift in foodservice between the companies that offer full time hours and insurance and those that don't. Papa John's and their ilk will be pulling from a pool of even worse applicants, and they'll need more of them. Good luck with that.

Also its kinda funny that this is going to spur some significant hiring, as they will need more employees to cover the former full timers' hours.

Basically what I'm trying to say is Obama is a job creator.

[Guyverarmor]

But remember though, minimum wage jobs don't count...

[Khajit]

Isn't forcing/ordering your employees to vote for a specific person against the law? I don't know how the guy isn't in jail for that when he outright admits it, especially so when voter anything is considered serious business.

[Salodin]

He didn't tell them to vote, he just said if Obama gets reelected that he'd fire them all and move away. Even if he says "You're retarded for voting Obama, because if he wins I'm going to fire you all" it still isn't technically telling them to vote for Obama. The law is written retardedly.

[Khajit]

He didn't tell them to vote, he just said if Obama gets reelected that he'd fire them all and move away. Even if he says "You're retarded for voting Obama, because if he wins I'm going to fire you all" it still isn't technically telling them to vote for Obama. The law is written retardedly.

My mistake I think. One of the articles said he told them to vote for Romney and I misremembered it as ordered.
It's still extremely shaky ground if you're an employer but he's clearly rich enough to get away with it.

[Jaybar]

He didn't tell them to vote, he just said if Obama gets reelected that he'd fire them all and move away. Even if he says "You're retarded for voting Obama, because if he wins I'm going to fire you all" it still isn't technically telling them to vote for Obama. The law is written retardedly.

One would assume that a conflict of interest would settle this issue. But I guess the last sentence sums it up quite succinctly.

[arus2001]

Dominos is the best right now imo. Mon-Wed you can get a large 3 topping carryout for $7.99.

I stopped eating anything from Pizza Hut after what a friend that worked there told me. They mix this preservative in with the sause. It's a bright orange liquid that he said smells like disinfectant.

I want to call BS, but it was also 2005 when I last worked at one, but was otherwise responsible for their sauce prep between deliveries. At the time, we basically had bags of seasoned tomato paste we added varying degrees of water to for pizza or breadsticks. Tub of sauce was tagged to last for 3 days once opened and put in cold storage, rarely going the actual 3 days based on the amount we used. Granted, I could see some dipshit thinking adding sludge to make it last a week or more would be a good idea, but it's not like preparing the stuff was difficult. Just needed a little elbow grease, and could probably be automated much like the dough mixer if they felt compelled.

[Plow]

yeah I have to agree, having worked at any pizza place at all you know you go through sauce waaaaaay too fast to need to add some preservative shit

aerosol garlic spray, on the other hand...

[Kanriel]

I want to call BS, but it was also 2005 when I last worked at one, but was otherwise responsible for their sauce prep between deliveries. At the time, we basically had bags of seasoned tomato paste we added varying degrees of water to for pizza or breadsticks. Tub of sauce was tagged to last for 3 days once opened and put in cold storage, rarely going the actual 3 days based on the amount we used. Granted, I could see some dipshit thinking adding sludge to make it last a week or more would be a good idea, but it's not like preparing the stuff was difficult. Just needed a little elbow grease, and could probably be automated much like the dough mixer if they felt compelled.

This. Worked at a Pizza Hut for the past year, no sort of orange liquid added. Sauce comes as either Pizza or Breadstick sauce, in a plastic bag of the sauce concentrate. Add one "bottle" (looks like an old school milk bottle back when they delivered milk) of water per pizza sauce and two bottles per breadstick sauce. Mix with whisk until fully mixed, store in fridge for up to 4 days, rarely makes it past day 2. It's a daily task for the drivers, every morning they have to make more sauce because we go through it very regularly, and our store is "middle of the pack" at best when it comes to how busy we are.

As for the Obamacare issue, thus far I have not heard of any such plans going down in my company (2nd biggest PH franchise in the US) and this will actually directly effect me as I'm someone who gets over 30 hours a week every week. Though there is already a health insurance plan offered which I simply cannot afford, so I'm not sure exactly what Obamacare does in this situation to either force me to use that insurance or if they need to offer me another insurance or something.

[Jakson]

I want to call BS, but it was also 2005 when I last worked at one, but was otherwise responsible for their sauce prep between deliveries. At the time, we basically had bags of seasoned tomato paste we added varying degrees of water to for pizza or breadsticks. Tub of sauce was tagged to last for 3 days once opened and put in cold storage, rarely going the actual 3 days based on the amount we used. Granted, I could see some dipshit thinking adding sludge to make it last a week or more would be a good idea, but it's not like preparing the stuff was difficult. Just needed a little elbow grease, and could probably be automated much like the dough mixer if they felt compelled.

afaik, most giant chain places use their product way faster than it is set to expire, which is almost assuredly sooner than people will throw stuff away from their own refrigerator. So if people take this "fresh ingredients" stuff out of their fridge on equal grounds (people pulling bottled tomato paste out of a cabinet vs. the chain pulling bottled tomato paste out of dry storage) then the restaurant's product is almost always going to be more fresh than people at home. Virtually any large franchised restaurant is going through product way too fast to even think about going bad.

Also, ditto what kuro/bane/grey/talint said.

[archibaldcrane]

Though there is already a health insurance plan offered which I simply cannot afford, so I'm not sure exactly what Obamacare does in this situation to either force me to use that insurance or if they need to offer me another insurance or something.

They will have to offer you a plan that meets Obamacare requirements, and you will have to purchase it (or another qualified plan, very likely your employer-offered one will be the best deal). However, given that you likely make well under 42k a year, you will receive a partial government subsidy for the cost of the insurance premiums.

That's "the mandate".

[Kyte]

I don't know why, but Round Table is my favorite pizza chain. Too bad it's such a rip-off.

I liked Round table when I went to CA, but they don't seem to have them on the east coast. Mellow Mushroom is a pretty good chain, but there aren't that many of them.


Personally, I pretty much stopped ordering pizza when the 5-5-5 deals went away. I always felt pretty great after eating 3 medium pizzas.

[AoE]

Best pizza is "generic Italian name" on "anywhere street" in New York, not none of this garbage ass mass produced big chain crap.

Cept anywhere in mid-town. Fuck that shit. They overcharge the fuck out of you for shitty-assed pizza. Best pizza I ever had was in Washington Heights. I'm sure there are better spots in Brooklyn, though.

[Kanriel]

Oddly enough the highest sales in my franchise is the Pizza Hut in Queens, NY. Does about 4x the sales of my store, and doesn't even deliver.

[Headspace]

will post this here since it's relevant to discussion

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/he...wide.html?_r=0

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration will soon take on a new role as the sponsor of at least two nationwide health insurance plans to be operated under contract with the federal government and offered to consumers in every state.

These multistate plans were included in President Obama’s health care law as a substitute for a pure government-run health insurance program — the public option sought by many liberal Democrats and reviled by Republicans. Supporters of the national plans say they will increase competition in state health insurance markets, many of which are dominated by a handful of companies.

The national plans will compete directly with other private insurers and may have some significant advantages, including a federal seal of approval. Premiums and benefits for the multistate insurance plans will be negotiated by the United States Office of Personnel Management, the agency that arranges health benefits for federal employees.

Walton J. Francis, the author of a consumer guide to health plans for federal employees, said the personnel agency had been “extraordinarily successful” in managing that program, which has more than 200 health plans, including about 20 offered nationwide. The personnel agency has earned high marks for its ability to secure good terms for federal workers through negotiation rather than heavy-handed regulation of insurers.

John J. O’Brien, the director of health care and insurance at the agency, said the new plans would be offered to individuals and small employers through the insurance exchanges being set up in every state under the 2010 health care law.

No one knows how many people will sign up for the government-sponsored plans. In preparing cost estimates, the Obama administration told insurers to assume that each national plan would have 750,000 people enrolled in the first year.

Under the Affordable Care Act, at least one of the nationwide plans must be offered by a nonprofit entity. Insurance experts see an obvious candidate for that role: the Government Employees Health Association, a nonprofit group that covers more than 900,000 federal employees, retirees and dependents, making it the second-largest plan for federal workers, after the Blue Cross and Blue Shield program.

The association, with headquarters near Kansas City, Mo., was founded in 1937 to help railway mail clerks with their medical expenses, and it generally receives high scores in surveys of consumer satisfaction.

Richard G. Miles, the association’s president, expressed interest in offering a multistate plan to the general public through insurance exchanges, but said no decision had been made.

“Our expertise in the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program would be useful in the private marketplace,” Mr. Miles said in an interview. “But we are concerned about the underwriting risk in providing insurance to an unknown group of customers.”

To be eligible to participate in the multistate program, insurers must be licensed in every state. The Government Employees Health Association recently bought a company that has the licenses it would need.

The new health care law stipulates that at least one of the multistate plans must provide insurance without coverage of abortion services. If a plan does cover abortions, it must establish separate accounts, one with money for abortion and one for all other medical services.

National insurance plans will be subject to regulation by the federal government, state insurance commissioners and state insurance exchanges. That mix could cause confusion for some consumers who have questions or complaints about their coverage.

The federal standards will pre-empt state rules in at least one respect: the national health plans will automatically be eligible to compete against other private insurers in the new exchanges, regardless of whether they have been certified as meeting the standards of those exchanges.

The administration has promised to “work cooperatively with states.” But it is unclear whether the government-sponsored plans will have to comply with all state laws and consumer protection standards; whether they will have to comply with state benefit mandates; and whether they will have to pay state fees and taxes levied on other insurers to finance exchange operations.

The National Association of Insurance Commissioners, which represents state regulators, expressed alarm at the prospect of a double standard.

“It is absolutely essential that multistate plans compete on a level playing field with other qualified health plans, which are subject to state insurance law,” the association said in a letter to the Office of Personnel Management.

Consumer groups expressed similar concerns. The national insurance plans and other carriers must be subject to identical standards, they say, or consumers cannot make valid comparisons.

“Multistate plans have real potential benefits for consumers,” said Ronald F. Pollack, the executive director of Families USA, a liberal-leaning consumer group. “But there is also potential trouble if the multistate plans are exempted from some consumer protection standards.”

Robert E. Moffit, a senior fellow at the conservative Heritage Foundation, said he worried that “the nationwide health plans, operating under terms and conditions set by the federal government, will become the robust public option that liberals always wanted.”

Insurers are pleading with the Office of Personnel Management to provide more detailed guidance.

“We are concerned that O.P.M. has not yet released rules specifying the requirements for the multistate plan,” said Jay A. Warmuth, a lawyer at UnitedHealth Group, one of the nation’s largest insurers.

Rules for the new program have been under review by the White House for three months, and officials said they would be issued soon.