CEO: Massive layoffs if Obama is reelected

[Cleverness]

Seriously, do people really think you can magically trigger a complete recovery from a global crisis? Merely by new tax policies and destroying a healthcare system?

Of course he can, and if he doesn't, it's clearly Obama's fault. That verbatim will be the reason. If Romney doesn't fix the economy, it will be Obama's fault for inheriting what was almost the next Great Depression and not fixing it in 4 years. Because the last one went by so quickly.

And I'm not gonna do anything to point out how deluded Skyy is, Kuro smashed it and Churchill has no appropriate rebuttal so he lol'd.

[Churchill]

Why would I have a rebuttal?

[Skyylya]

Kuro, I have a lot more respect for your opinion when you just present your opinion. But when you're just calling me a fucking idiot backed by your own opinionated views you lose a bit of credibility as far as me caring what you're saying. At least in my responses I'm simply presenting my views and not just tossing out insults (then again this is a BG forum where people learn to argue their point via flame wars and not intelligent conversation).


If you think for a moment that a candidates "policies" have any impact on what they will actually do once in office you are much more ignorant than I am. The garbage that is being spewed by the incumbent as well as Romney aren't close to the actual policies that the lobbyists will be dictating once they are in office. Both Romney, Obama, and any other candidate that has taken office in the last couple decades are bought and paid for by the largest campaign contributors. So regardless of what Obama's policies are vs. what Romney's policies are knowing the specifics of them are irrelevant.

What I look at are things that I can correlate to the types of things that will have an impact on my life, or at least behaviors that I can respect in the individual that is holding the office.

What I can tell you is that I am not a supporter of Romney, nor do I support Obama which I think is obvious at this point. If I could have picked I would have voted for Ron Paul in a second and was pulling for him.

What I'm looking for are things that I, as your average middle class citizen with a household income around/above 6 figures, can see as affecting my micro-social/economic sphere of influence. When I look at what Obama has done in the last four years I'm not looking for a miracle, I'm not looking for him to fix this country and make us all live in a Utopian existence. What I am looking for is a president that enacts policies with the best interest of the majority of Americans at heart. What I look for is a president who takes his office seriously and doesn't spend more time on Vacation than any prior president in history while our country is continuing to slip into global obscurity. What I look for is a president who has the backbone to make a campaign statement and stick to it. I was glad when Obama was elected president because I really hoped that he would follow through on his statements to end our time at war and within 16 months seriously have us pulling out of Iraq/Afghanistan.

I know that the economy hasn't been amazing since I was born, but when I look at the state of our country right now and since Obama has taken office I would say that he has failed to even make a serious effort to get us back on track. It really bothers me about how much he goes on vacation while we're falling behind in education, economy, our national debt is rising and he has the audacity to go onto the first presidential debate talking about things he "plans" to do and not things he has been doing and plans on continuing. At least that type of verbage could tell me as a citizen that he's been trying to do things and for whatever reason isn't having success. If he came on and said, these are the types of issues I've been trying to address for 4 years and aren't getting congressional cooperation, then I could say alright things haven't improved but it seems like he's working on it. I can't say that is the case though.

At the end of the day, my evaluation of Obama's presidency is that I don't approve of what he has done, and I don't think he will do any better given four more years. If he isn't motivated enough to do more when he has the ability to be re-elected I highly doubt he will be more motivated when it is his last term.


For Romney, I don't think that he is the answer. I don't think that he is going to magically get our country on track very quickly or that four years from now I won't be saying the same thing about his presidency that he failed during his 4 years and we ought to go with the next unknown. The things that I've brought up are topical about him, his taxes and the fact that he's a business man. Yes I was typing from my phone and to be honest when I said that at least he was a businessman in my first post I didn't foresee getting into this long of a discussion or perhaps I would have omitted that statement or provided more background for how, if at all, I think that will help.

In all honesty I may very well not vote. This years election to me presents no candidate that I can look at and get behind and I'm not some partisan fool who is going to vote based on a party line that I don't stand behind. If Ron Paul were in the running I would be voting for him and in 4 years when his son Rand is probably in the mix I might again because I've heard (topically) good things about him.

I don't expect you to like my views, I don't expect you to change yours because of them either. What I would expect is that you can at least have the balls to say that while you don't like my views I'm allowed to have them (as you did) and be done with it. This is a political discussion and you can show 10 individuals the same information and get 11 different opinions. I have mine based on the information at my disposal that I'm willing to look for and my opinion is that I don't want Obama, and while I don't think Romney will do any better, I don't want to reward Obama with a re-election. I'll take my chances with the unknown at this point. In either case, I highly doubt things will improve either way, so it largely doesn't matter. Neither candidate will impact the middle class in a positive way whether it is Obama or Romney. Romney will help the upper class, and Obama will help the lower class and poor. For another four years I'll be left just doing the best I can to make the best living I can and the best quality of life I can.

This will be my last comment on the matter since at the end of the day, you don't care about my views and I don't care about yours. But, I said I would provide a little more clarity for where I'm coming from and I'm a man of my word.

PS: Notice how I didn't toss out profanity and insult you like a child throwing a tantrum?

[Byrthnoth]

Byrthnoth was defeated by the walls of text.

Also:

PS: Notice how I didn't toss out profanity and insult you like a child throwing a tantrum?

These kinds of comments always strike me as petty, like attacking someone's spelling because you don't feel you can attack their substance well enough. Not everyone possesses enough mastery of the English language to convey strong emotions without profanity. Plus, some of us are just used to cursing because we're rude crude dudes. This isn't the 1950s and we aren't 10-year-olds with overprotective parents. Get the fuck over it. Profanity is just what haters call the words with flair!

[Athas]

Kuro, I have a lot more respect for your opinion when you just present your opinion. But when you're just calling me a fucking idiot backed by your own opinionated views you lose a bit of credibility as far as me caring what you're saying. At least in my responses I'm simply presenting my views and not just tossing out insults (then again this is a BG forum where people learn to argue their point via flame wars and not intelligent conversation).


If you think for a moment that a candidates "policies" have any impact on what they will actually do once in office you are much more ignorant than I am. The garbage that is being spewed by the incumbent as well as Romney aren't close to the actual policies that the lobbyists will be dictating once they are in office. Both Romney, Obama, and any other candidate that has taken office in the last couple decades are bought and paid for by the largest campaign contributors. So regardless of what Obama's policies are vs. what Romney's policies are knowing the specifics of them are irrelevant.

What I look at are things that I can correlate to the types of things that will have an impact on my life, or at least behaviors that I can respect in the individual that is holding the office.

What I can tell you is that I am not a supporter of Romney, nor do I support Obama which I think is obvious at this point. If I could have picked I would have voted for Ron Paul in a second and was pulling for him.

What I'm looking for are things that I, as your average middle class citizen with a household income around/above 6 figures, can see as affecting my micro-social/economic sphere of influence. When I look at what Obama has done in the last four years I'm not looking for a miracle, I'm not looking for him to fix this country and make us all live in a Utopian existence. What I am looking for is a president that enacts policies with the best interest of the majority of Americans at heart. What I look for is a president who takes his office seriously and doesn't spend more time on Vacation than any prior president in history while our country is continuing to slip into global obscurity.

I'm sorry but I wasn't able to get much further then this.

That is absolutely untrue and if you genuinely believe that you are grossly uninformed - or rather, misinformed.

[Weeks]

What I look for is a president who takes his office seriously and doesn't spend more time on Vacation than any prior president in history while our country is continuing to slip into global obscurity.

So you're bashing Bush? Because he spent more time on vacation than any president in history, while Obama has spent far less than most.

What I look for is a president who has the backbone to make a campaign statement and stick to it.

That's bullshit. If Obama had stood by his campaign promises instead of kowtowing to corporate interests on most major policies, the only difference in Republicans' complaints would be that they were valid.

I was glad when Obama was elected president because I really hoped that he would follow through on his statements to end our time at war and within 16 months seriously have us pulling out of Iraq/Afghanistan.

So you were mortified by Paul Ryan's foreign policy stances last night, huh? Seeing as the only difference between the two tickets is that Romney says he'll probably stick to the Obama timeline.

PS: Notice how I didn't toss out profanity and insult you like a child throwing a tantrum?

I'll take insults over regurgitated bullshit posted on Facebook by your crazy racist uncle.

[Dimmauk]

I'm sorry but I wasn't able to get much further then this.

That is absolutely untrue and if you genuinely believe that you are grossly uninformed - or rather, misinformed.

Yeah, there was a ton to WTF? at in his post, but the vacation one was hilarious. Is he too young to remember W.?

[Cleverness]

"What I look for is a president who has the backbone to make a campaign statement and stick to it."

So you REALLY hate Romney then right, because he doesn't stick to any of his campaign statements. Stay delusional idiot.

[Correction]

as your average middle class citizen with a household income around/above 6 figures

Not average.

[Niiro]

Yea....that's at least twice the average.

[kuronosan]

Kuro, I have a lot more respect for your opinion when you just present your opinion. But when you're just calling me a fucking idiot backed by your own opinionated views you lose a bit of credibility as far as me caring what you're saying. At least in my responses I'm simply presenting my views and not just tossing out insults (then again this is a BG forum where people learn to argue their point via flame wars and not intelligent conversation).


If you think for a moment that a candidates "policies" have any impact on what they will actually do once in office you are much more ignorant than I am. The garbage that is being spewed by the incumbent as well as Romney aren't close to the actual policies that the lobbyists will be dictating once they are in office. Both Romney, Obama, and any other candidate that has taken office in the last couple decades are bought and paid for by the largest campaign contributors. So regardless of what Obama's policies are vs. what Romney's policies are knowing the specifics of them are irrelevant.

What I look at are things that I can correlate to the types of things that will have an impact on my life, or at least behaviors that I can respect in the individual that is holding the office.

What I can tell you is that I am not a supporter of Romney, nor do I support Obama which I think is obvious at this point. If I could have picked I would have voted for Ron Paul in a second and was pulling for him.

What I'm looking for are things that I, as your average middle class citizen with a household income around/above 6 figures, can see as affecting my micro-social/economic sphere of influence. When I look at what Obama has done in the last four years I'm not looking for a miracle, I'm not looking for him to fix this country and make us all live in a Utopian existence. What I am looking for is a president that enacts policies with the best interest of the majority of Americans at heart. What I look for is a president who takes his office seriously and doesn't spend more time on Vacation than any prior president in history while our country is continuing to slip into global obscurity. What I look for is a president who has the backbone to make a campaign statement and stick to it. I was glad when Obama was elected president because I really hoped that he would follow through on his statements to end our time at war and within 16 months seriously have us pulling out of Iraq/Afghanistan.

I know that the economy hasn't been amazing since I was born, but when I look at the state of our country right now and since Obama has taken office I would say that he has failed to even make a serious effort to get us back on track. It really bothers me about how much he goes on vacation while we're falling behind in education, economy, our national debt is rising and he has the audacity to go onto the first presidential debate talking about things he "plans" to do and not things he has been doing and plans on continuing. At least that type of verbage could tell me as a citizen that he's been trying to do things and for whatever reason isn't having success. If he came on and said, these are the types of issues I've been trying to address for 4 years and aren't getting congressional cooperation, then I could say alright things haven't improved but it seems like he's working on it. I can't say that is the case though.

At the end of the day, my evaluation of Obama's presidency is that I don't approve of what he has done, and I don't think he will do any better given four more years. If he isn't motivated enough to do more when he has the ability to be re-elected I highly doubt he will be more motivated when it is his last term.


For Romney, I don't think that he is the answer. I don't think that he is going to magically get our country on track very quickly or that four years from now I won't be saying the same thing about his presidency that he failed during his 4 years and we ought to go with the next unknown. The things that I've brought up are topical about him, his taxes and the fact that he's a business man. Yes I was typing from my phone and to be honest when I said that at least he was a businessman in my first post I didn't foresee getting into this long of a discussion or perhaps I would have omitted that statement or provided more background for how, if at all, I think that will help.

In all honesty I may very well not vote. This years election to me presents no candidate that I can look at and get behind and I'm not some partisan fool who is going to vote based on a party line that I don't stand behind. If Ron Paul were in the running I would be voting for him and in 4 years when his son Rand is probably in the mix I might again because I've heard (topically) good things about him.

I don't expect you to like my views, I don't expect you to change yours because of them either. What I would expect is that you can at least have the balls to say that while you don't like my views I'm allowed to have them (as you did) and be done with it. This is a political discussion and you can show 10 individuals the same information and get 11 different opinions. I have mine based on the information at my disposal that I'm willing to look for and my opinion is that I don't want Obama, and while I don't think Romney will do any better, I don't want to reward Obama with a re-election. I'll take my chances with the unknown at this point. In either case, I highly doubt things will improve either way, so it largely doesn't matter. Neither candidate will impact the middle class in a positive way whether it is Obama or Romney. Romney will help the upper class, and Obama will help the lower class and poor. For another four years I'll be left just doing the best I can to make the best living I can and the best quality of life I can.

This will be my last comment on the matter since at the end of the day, you don't care about my views and I don't care about yours. But, I said I would provide a little more clarity for where I'm coming from and I'm a man of my word.

PS: Notice how I didn't toss out profanity and insult you like a child throwing a tantrum?

You think because I use curse words that it means I haven't a grasp of how to speak in English? Okay then. Let's do it this way.

First of all, there is so much glaring misinformation in your post that it highlights your ignorance of America pre-Obama. Your rebuttals amount to mere "but Obama did this" statements coupled with feeble attempts to present an absent conviction.

You talk as if you are wanting a candidate that will at least do what he says he will while in office. What if Romney made a pledge to eliminate all minorities and raise taxes on the poor? If he accomplished it, would that make him a great leader just because he delivered?

Use some common sense, please. Faulty syllogism is the very reason we are in the dilemma we have been in and no amount of blaming will fix it. It has been well-established that the Republicans right now oppose many Obama policies simply because he is the one advocating them. Many of Romney's policies are mathematically proven to not work in the long term. I don't think I need to extrapolate how long the human civilization has been using math for.

Second, you act as if voting for Romney is a safer bet because he is a businessman. He is successful. Right? His success is built from the gutting and selling of companies just like your father's with little care of the jobs lost or lives impacted as a result. This is a man you would want for President? A man that won't hesitate, like many CEOs, to make needless cuts and expenditures so they at least appear to be doing well? This is what led us to the recession. So much focus on the bottom line that you don't see the forest before the tree.

Lastly, since I am at work trying to save the lives of ungrateful people who won't hesitate to sue my bosses because they didn't fix their hangnail in time, you speak as if you have conviction and a stance and yet you offer no explanation as to how you believe this man is qualified to lead. You are simply voting for him because you don't want Obama to win and you're gambling that it will work out for you.

I may lose my job because of the ACA and how corporaations are responding to it, but at the end of the day my love of helping others and desire to serve the patient reminds me that I'm part of a bigger picture.

If you don't know what that is intending to illustrate, allow me to spell it clearly and concisely: your voting for Romney may make you feel better at the end of the day but there are 250 million other people who might suffer just so you can go "at least Obama isn't in office". That's the best you can do? This is the best reason you can think of to stick it to Obama is to vote for a guy who will not care whether you're poor or not and will lump you in with leechers just as soon as he would raise taxes on your non-rich family?

Grow a conscience. And a backbone. Have the decency to cast your vote because of personal conviction, not because some watery tart came up and told you the evil socialists are taking over. Every government program out there is a form of socialism and if you don't realize that you don't need to be voting. You need to be researching.

My views have evolved quite a bit since I first came here and I have voted in three elections so far (this will be my third). I made the mistake of voting for Kerry just because he wasn't Bush and I voted for Bush because he wasn't the "blowjob VP".

You don't have to like a candidate, but if what he is offering is what is best for the country and in line with your beliefs then he is who you need to be voting for. You will never get a good politician but be a man and admit that saying he's worse because he's a lawyer is so grossly hilarious. That means he knows the law. I would trust a lawyer before someone who exploits the laws for his own gain, keeps his money overseas so he doesn't have to pay tax on it, and would fire you in a heart beat of he thought it would save a dollar.

...

Also: fuck.

[Ashmada]

Did you even read what I said? I said Romney is a business man vs Obama who is a lawyer. Both will suck but I'd rather risk Romney than Obama whom has already proven to suck. Obama puts a strangle on small business with rising insurance and unempmoyment costs forcing companies to cut costs and/ or downsize laying people off. These people laid off then join into the socialist programs supported by Obama and even though his policies cost them their jobs they love him for the handouts they get after. Its a nice socialist cycle for Obama to screw people and still get their votes. Typing on phone at work. Can elaborate later if you like.

I'd like you to answer these questions three:

1. You qualify his policies as socialistic. Ok. But you seem to consider it a sufficient element to dismiss them; might I ask why?
I mean, it's obvious that you hold the evils of socialism self-evident, but me, I need to be explained.

2. Business-owning family or not, don't you find it any worrying that this CEO is blackmailing voters?
That was the actual thread topic until you started talking of your family.

3. What is the capital of Assyria?

[Skyylya]

Please enlighten me on what great things Obama has done for America in the last four years. I think I've provided enough of my feelings, good or bad, and I'm curious why you're so in love with him that you want four more years of this. You are so against removing Obama from office and I'm sure you have your reasons. So, what has he done so great that you want it to continue. Because I can't think of a single thing he's done that has been good for this country.

Another thing, my father died 9/13/2001 so you can stop saying that it's my father I'm speaking of. I'm talking about my father in law, and my wife's, step father. I think this is a good indication of how closely you're reading what I'm saying. I haven't once claimed that I'm voting for Romney, yet you still seem to be incorporating that into your analysis of my commentary.

I've not claimed to be a political science major. I never said that I have researched 100% of each of the candidates policies, nor do I care to as I said it's not like they will actually keep to them. I haven't said anything more than what my views are, based on what I know. I haven't claimed that what I think or say is the "right" opinion, just what my views are. I can't stand Obama. I think that he is an abomination of a president. I would rather take 5 Clintons than any Bush or Obama or Romney. But, this year is about Romney and Obama. I don't think that Obama has earned four more years in office, period, regardless of his opponent in this election.

You're welcome for giving you something to soapbox to today. Though, I am still curious as to why you're so in favor of Obama and I ask again, what great things has he done for this country to earn another four years?

[Ksandra]

Please enlighten me on what great things Obama has done for America in the last four years. I think I've provided enough of my feelings, good or bad, and I'm curious why you're so in love with him that you want four more years of this. You are so against removing Obama from office and I'm sure you have your reasons. So, what has he done so great that you want it to continue. Because I can't think of a single thing he's done that has been good for this country.

universal healthcare and people seem to always forget the massive credit card reform.

you, yourself mentioned the lesser of two evils. Romney is so ultimately bad who keeps spouting lies with NO details.

I mean his entire platform is based on this magical plan of his where he's going to reduce the deficit without a. raising taxes, b. getting rid of tax cuts, c. cutting programs (except PBS, which is just lol in the grand scheme of things.)

He has NO ANSWER when people ask for specifics on this magic pill, which means he isn't doing anything.

And he wants to repeal obamacare. While he couldn't get rid of it completely, he could definitely weaken it (and it needs to be stronger, not weaker) and pave the way for future presidents to weaken it further.

He hasn't really made things worse, just slow at making things better. I would definitely take sure and steady over David Copperfield.

[Dimmauk]

Taxing the rich, health care, pro choice, ended wars, helping the economy, can hit a jump shot, home brews beer, posted on redditt. More?

[kuronosan]

So, even when presented with questions, intellectually, that ask you to defend your stance you have yet to defend, your only answer is "well what has Obama done"?

Yea, fuck this.

You are an idiot. You could present a position with a strong argument in favor of why Romney and instead you choose to argue semantics over which fucking father we're talking about, as it not only doesn't change the argument but somehow highlighted the obvious in that we had no idea there was a difference.

You poor fucking fool.

[Dimmauk]

Didnt mention gays or immigration, and neither has the candidates. Hopefully that will change too.

[BaneTheBrawler]

I was able to stop doing clinical trials as a direct result of Obama's health care stuff. You'd be surprised just how miserable the life of a lab-rat is, at least for serious health issues. The scientific method is fucking brutal when you're reduced to ONE treatment option and it doesn't fucking work. But tough it out for 6 more months, just to be sure. I mean, maybe it just takes a long time?

I loved the "furthering the scientific knowledge of humanity" aspect of it, but it was still fucking miserable. The simple change of allowing me to go back on my dad's insurance spared me from that. If that's not "one good thing," fuck you.

[Ksandra]

relevant:

http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/

[Guyverarmor]

Taxing the rich, health care, pro choice, ended wars, helping the economy, can hit a jump shot, home brews beer, posted on redditt. More?

/Brofist