FFXIV story/lore thread

[Rocl]

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It could be a red herring too yes. We know Eldibus to not only be a near immortal being who has possibly lived for a millennia, but also an emissary on a diplomatic agenda. The fact that Urianger asks him to speak plainly means that not only does Eldibus know how to communicate in the common tongue that everyone uses in Eorzea, but also that Urianger may know how to communicate with Ascians in their otherwise unintelligible speech (possibilities being him having an Echo, learning it from research, being a former Ascian himself, etc). There's also the fact that this might tie far back into 1.0, with Urianger being accused of being one of the mages who brought upon the Sixth Umbral Era:



He's obviously lived for a long time, at least as far back as the early Sixth Astral Era. Him being an Archon is a counterpoint to Ascians -- Archons inevitably are destined to bring about Astral Eras, while Ascians are destined to bring about Umbral Eras. I'm willing to believe they also might discuss this waxing and waning, as it's a direct reference to Hydaelyn eternally opposing Zodiark.

Something like that.

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How do you get he's lived since the early Sixth Astral Era? That'd make him over 1500 years old. The Sixth Astral Era lasted what 1562 or 1572 years or some shit? The Sixth Umbral Era was caused by the War of the Magi as well, those could be the "malign mages" either black (Belah'dia), white (Amdapor) or scholar (Nym)

If you believe the malign mages to be Ascians it simply points out that the Garleans knew of Ascians for some time--though their existence is knowledgable to the smallfolk of Eorzea as well (our path companion/ashcrown consortium/sylph friends allr recognize an Ascian for what it is; though the Limsa story and Tranvanchet make it seem like people were unawares they could take the form of man)

His knowledge of the Seventh Moon is simply Mezaya's prophecy of the Seventh Umbral Era, since the Umbral Eras were supposed to stop after Six.

[Niiro]

Also someone remarked about the line referring to "the fate of this very star" or something in the post credits.

It could have just been some stylized wording, the word "star" was used to refer to both stars and planets for much of history because, looking at the sky, you couldn't really tell the difference (much less understand it).

So it may have just been a fancy way of saying "this planet/world".

[jibini]

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It could be a red herring too yes. We know Eldibus to not only be a near immortal being who has possibly lived for a millennia, but also an emissary on a diplomatic agenda. The fact that Urianger asks him to speak plainly means that not only does Eldibus know how to communicate in the common tongue that everyone uses in Eorzea, but also that Urianger may know how to communicate with Ascians in their otherwise unintelligible speech (possibilities being him having an Echo, learning it from research, being a former Ascian himself, etc). There's also the fact that this might tie far back into 1.0, with Urianger being accused of being one of the mages who brought upon the Sixth Umbral Era:



He's obviously lived for a long time, at least as far back as the early Sixth Astral Era. Him being an Archon is a counterpoint to Ascians -- Archons inevitably are destined to bring about Astral Eras, while Ascians are destined to bring about Umbral Eras. I'm willing to believe they also might discuss this waxing and waning, as it's a direct reference to Hydaelyn eternally opposing Zodiark.

Something like that.

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Didn't either Urianger or Moenbryda refer to them being childhood friends?

[Adajer]

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[Eldelphia]

I think there's so much 'to be continued' that it 's hard to know what to make of it all. I will say Raubahn rocks for once. Was disappointed in the other leaders as mentioned.

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I do wonder if this was more staged than we think and that the Sultana helped set some of this up but something went wrong. You definitely get the feeling that something went wrong with the whole plan. Possibly Teledji getting butchered.

I loved Yda and Papalymo's 'final scene' where he obviously powers her up. I think if anyone's dead it's possible Yda and Minfilia. I'm not convinced even the Sultana is dead. No clue what Minfilia was doing... Midgardsomr is one creepy 'minion' and I think Tataru is either the ultimate evil or she got caught up in something which became bigger than her. It's possible the Scions were in league with the Sultana or the other leaders knew what the plan was... Who knows... Was good though.

What I am surprised at is how quickly we reached the 'end' of the story. Thought they might string it out for a few more weeks.

[Adajer]

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Raubahn lost his arm in total Mace Windu style

I Really loved that talegi-adlegi kill. I just wished we could have seen the top part of his body pop off like raubahn's arm.


Urianger's a traitor too, tf. entire group was a sham. He might be possessed as was Thancred though?

As for the scions, it made it lok like they were dying. They went through the trouble of showing us Yda's face before she died. It looked like final heaven hit them too. But it is funny that palylimo said "it wont be the last" before they "died".

I think they all are dead cept minfilia, just because she has the echo. I also find it odd that no one has picked up on the fact that we dont have the echo or a connection with hydalen anymore. And how are we going to even fix that and when?

[Deuce]

I'm also not convinced Urianger is bad for a couple of reasons. Have we had any confirmation on whether or not the place in which Lahabrea and Elidibus are meeting is an actual physical location? I'd think Lahabrea would react to Urianger's presence if he were so close in a real location. I like to believe it's a mere representation of them communicating via their own version of the Echo, being that they're not exactly 3rd dimensional beings it would make sense. Also, Urianger refers to Elidibus as "Emissary", which would imply their interests aren't completely in line. We probably won't find out the true answer to this for some time as they continue to stretch this storyline out for the long haul.

[Kaslo]

Spoiler yo

[BadKarma]

Speaking of Alfies sister, does that bitch ever leave Coil or is she stuck eating High Voltage forever.

[BadKarma]

I'm also not convinced Urianger is bad for a couple of reasons. Have we had any confirmation on whether or not the place in which Lahabrea and Elidibus are meeting is an actual physical location? I'd think Lahabrea would react to Urianger's presence if he were so close in a real location. I like to believe it's a mere representation of them communicating via their own version of the Echo, being that they're not exactly 3rd dimensional beings it would make sense. Also, Urianger refers to Elidibus as "Emissary", which would imply their interests aren't completely in line. We probably won't find out the true answer to this for some time as they continue to stretch this storyline out for the long haul.

His tone came off as what the fuck do you want to me.

[Rocl]

Speaking of Alfies sister, does that bitch ever leave Coil or is she stuck eating High Voltage forever.

What? She's clearly either in the Coil with you or investigating the Calamity or elsewhere depending on your progression. The only time she's MIA is from Lv15 MSQ -> Coil unlock quest really.\

@Adajer:

We still possess the Echo. What we don't possess is the Blessing of Light. They are separate and distinct gifts bestowed to us by Hydaelyn.

[Ratatapa]

Btw anyone notice that the peddler helping us run away from uldah is the same one from the opening cutscene when you create a new character? Nice touch there

[Hellfury]

The real plot twist here would be that

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Nanamo knew that the monetarists were planning mischief and manipulated it all from behind the scenes, having taken an antidote reducing the effect of the poison. Making the monetarists make their grab for power and exposing themselves. Sacrificing the warriors of light as part of her plot, then when the monetarists feel safe, reenter the stage and exterminate all them and all their co-conspirators once they reared their ugly heads. Then establishing the democracy she wanted, after all the obstacles have been removed.
Political mastermind of her line etc.!

But yeah, this current trend with killing everyone is getting olde, I will not be surprised if we get some wedge/biggs + cid'like action in 3.0 only with the scions!

[Niiro]

What trend? The only person that's died is Moenbryda, who was practically introduced just so they could be killed off.

[Eeeks]

Lolorito:

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I get the impression that Lolorito was not pleased with the outcome of the coup. Teledji's death seems a mere inconvenience, but Raubahn's emotional outrage screamed of genuine anguish and innocence. They couldn't manage to capture and hold a single Scion. Lolorito needed a drawn-out, highly publicized show trial in order to properly tarnish the reputations of the Scions and WoL. Now he has a several beloved Robin Hoods running about Eorzea, and Ul'dah lost all its allies. And if the truth about the Sultana's fate ever escapes, Lolorito could face a civil war in Ul'dah.

Sure, Lolorito 'won' the coup, but I imagine his resulting political position is far too precarious for his liking. He's left to consolidate his influence on a powderkeg foundation.

[Arthars]

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I watched the CSs again and wondering how did people come up with the idea that tataru's "smile" was evil in costa...... It aint even close >.>

Also urianger is giving me the vibe of "wtf do you want from me" than "yes mi'lord?"

Possibly a temporary cease-fire and do something in exchange of favor... seeing how now their fate and eorzea "merged as 1"

[agrotc]

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Maybe it's because I did the other quest branch first, but the amount of time the camera lingered on it makes it stick out a bit. I had expected Tataru to wind up dead or leaving the Scions permanently or something personally.

Or maybe Lalafell faces are just are mostly creepy period, I don't know.

[Sho]

What if...

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Tataru is Nanamo in disguise? :kappa:

[Baelfael]

Lmao, someone who knows his place:

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Crystal Brave in Mor Dhona:

Crystal Brave: Y-You! You have some n-nerve showing your face here, traitor! I ought to h-haul you in for your crimes, and I would...except you'd d-doubtless put up a fight...and I've been, er, ordered not to bring conflict into town.

Crystal Brave: Our p-priority is to protect the people, and we c-can't risk innocent bystanders getting hurt. If I were to f-find you anywhere else, though, you'll not find me so lenient! C-Consider yourself warned!

Makes it seem all that much worse that I could do nothing during the feast's "festivities."

[Niiro]

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I watched the CSs again and wondering how did people come up with the idea that tataru's "smile" was evil in costa...... It aint even close >.>

Also urianger is giving me the vibe of "wtf do you want from me" than "yes mi'lord?"

Possibly a temporary cease-fire and do something in exchange of favor... seeing how now their fate and eorzea "merged as 1"

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The wordplay between Laha and Elid ("by my will"..."by his will") that they may not be entirely on the same page regarding the whole situation.

Ever since Elid showed up in the Sands he was always shown to be calm and collected and his intent was never to fight, I'd guess he and Laha see things differently and he reaches out to Urianger in an attempt to convince him to surrender or join their plans to avert even more devastation when Zodiark is resurrected, to have him broker a peaceful surrender now that the scions are pretty much done with.

The Elidibus/Lahabrea dynamic could be somewhat reminiscent of the Gaius/Nael one from 1.0.