FFXIV story/lore thread

[Arthars]

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The wordplay between Laha and Elid ("by my will"..."by his will") that they may not be entirely on the same page regarding the whole situation.

Ever since Elid showed up in the Sands he was always shown to be calm and collected and his intent was never to fight, I'd guess he and Laha see things differently and he reaches out to Urianger in an attempt to convince him to surrender or join their plans to avert even more devastation when Zodiark is resurrected, to have him broker a peaceful surrender now that the scions are pretty much done with.

The Elidibus/Lahabrea dynamic could be somewhat reminiscent of the Gaius/Nael one from 1.0.

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well, Elidibus and Lahabrea for now, are both "evil". But with that words exchange its pretty much clear that they both have different intent.

Elidibus seem to be maintaining law and order, while lahabrea have his own agenda/ambitions now....

Knowing that the scions can now slay an ascian, seemingly immortal, i wouldnt be surprised that elidibus indeed turn to urianger to get ready to purge lahabrea, in exchange of a favor, like say, rescue the scions.

so, question is... who is using who.....

[Niiro]

Unrelated: but I mentioned Cid's appearance in an earlier post and now I'm wondering where Cid....like....is.

He shows up during the CT storyline plenty sure, but where is he all the time? Is it generally assumed that he's in Rev Toll? I can't really think of anywhere else.

[Arthars]

hes got an airship all to himself yo! he can go wherever he like and please!

[Prothescar]

unless i'm horribly mistaken or it's changed, he's always standing at one of the tents at saint coinach's find with biggs and wedge

[Nama]

After you start CT questline Cid Biggs and Wedge appear at Saint Coinach's. After you finish WoD and final cs he leaves. Since how CT story and msq line up is sketchy at best hes been mostly MIA joy riding or something. Since hes moving to Ishgard I asume hes gonna be a big player in msq again.

[Aumaan_Kujata]

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The Tataru scene that seems suspicious to a lot of people struck me as a pretty solid red herring. There was a chunk of plot there before the banquet that seemed like it was playing the game of "ok, you guys know this is the end of the 2.0 storyline and Bad Stuff is going to happen, so we're going to bait you in a few different directions before we actually splatter someone (or a lot of someones, depending on what the follow-through is on the ending)". It reminded me a lot of the last Start Trek TNG movie, for anyone that's into that kind of thing: it had been made clear in advance of the movie that they were going to murder a main character, but it was Super Secret who it was going to be, and a big chunk of the movie was taken up with setting up three of them in standard about-to-die-and-won't-that-be-awful scenarios, and then put all three of them in life or death struggles simultaneously, cutting between them, before finally offing one of them while you rolled your eyes at how contrived the whole thing had been. Tataru's exit at Costa with the awkward "oh, that sounded like I'm leaving forever, tee hee" bit, was straight out of the same playbook.

But speaking of foreshadowing, has anyone else noticed that the Raubahn Triple Triad card is conspicuously vulnerable on one side in particular. Coincidence? HMM.

[Hellfury]

What trend? The only person that's died is Moenbryda, who was practically introduced just so they could be killed off.

was imprecise in my statement, was a referral to the "fashion" from game of thrones etc. where everyone gets killed.

[Nama]

Speaking of forshadowing saw this on reddit and damn...

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[Niiro]

But speaking of foreshadowing, has anyone else noticed that the Raubahn Triple Triad card is conspicuously vulnerable on one side in particular. Coincidence? HMM.

Ha, I hope it was intentional.

[Eeeks]

Ha, I hope it was intentional.

For the sake of convenience, here's Raubahn's card:

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Assuming the 2 is a reference to his missing left arm, the 9 implies he's swinging some serious pipe!

For fun, here's two other interesting TT cards:

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[Rocl]

Not sure what the other interesting things are showing?

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Y'shtola and Urianger share the same numbers (in a different arrangement) as do Yda/Palaymo & Thancred; I don't think the Raubahn thing is super conclusive HINT or just coincidence. The quotes I guess you're talking about? Yda/Papalymo's is from the Gridania 1.0 opening; Urianger's is from a MSQ quest. For comparison Y'shtola's is from a quest during the 7UE event in 1.0.

[Eeeks]

I didn't play 1.0, so that reference was lost on me. The other seemed more interesting since I didn't read the flavor text on the cards until recently.

I'm personally not reading much into the cards. Was just fun to take a look at them post-2.55.

[stepth]

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Is there a particular reason that Teledji sent Aymeric and Lucia away to chase dragons before starting his whole evil spiel? Wouldn't it have been in his interest to frame the Scions/WoL in front of the Ishgard officials as well? Seems like he made a huge mistake here, unless I'm missing something.

Also, during the cutscene in the Sultana's chambers where she falls off the chair, I could have sworn the game cut to Raubahn looking away towards the sound of the falling chalice. I expected him to go investigate the noise, yet the next time we see him he's still hobnobbing with the other leaders. Seemed weird that he didn't excuse himself for a minute to look into it.

[Edelweiss]

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I'd imagine even Teledji understood that it might cause an international incident if the Ishgardians were entangled in that.

And I think he was distracted by Aymeric's poorly timed speech (i'll check later, if someone hasn't beaten me to confirming/correcting the sequence of events).

[Appie]

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To me it looked more like Raubahn 'felt a disturbance in the force', rather than him hearing the noise of the Sultana and/or chalice falling.

[Nama]

@Stepth

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Also, during the cutscene in the Sultana's chambers where she falls off the chair, I could have sworn the game cut to Raubahn looking away towards the sound of the falling chalice. I expected him to go investigate the noise, yet the next time we see him he's still hobnobbing with the other leaders. Seemed weird that he didn't excuse himself for a minute to look into it.

He didn't hear anything, more so sensed something was wrong. Its pretty common trope in Japanese movies, anime etc when two characters are really close and something terrible happens to one such as death there is a reaction shot of the other character as though they know something isn't right. If I had to wager a guess it has it roots in the red thread of fate folklore which people are bound to each other like soulmates and can tell when that bond is cut.

[gattsuru]

Lolorito:

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I get the impression that Lolorito was not pleased with the outcome of the coup. Teledji's death seems a mere inconvenience, but Raubahn's emotional outrage screamed of genuine anguish and innocence. They couldn't manage to capture and hold a single Scion. Lolorito needed a drawn-out, highly publicized show trial in order to properly tarnish the reputations of the Scions and WoL.

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Yeah. I think Teledji was meant to play the patsy -- he's unpopular, already tied to the revolutionaries, he wouldn't deny evil deeds even if he actually couldn't have done them, and more importantly a fellow financier of the Brass Blades and thus a competitor for power -- but Raubahn taking the gordian solution wasn't part of the plan. It turned what should have been a quick capture into a mess, scared away all of the witnesses, and almost got Lolorito killed.

I'm not sure how seriously they believe or expected people to believe that the Scions had ensourcelled the Ishguardians. I think that Teledji pulling them from the meeting wasn't really part of the master plan, since there actually was a draconic assault, and it may have just been a convenient reason to Teledji to have been entering the Royal room (maybe even to ask permission?). That might even have been what caused things to go tango uniform, if Lolorito expected the handmaiden to report both to the Brass Blades and to (more gently) break the news to Raubaun.

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The wordplay between Laha and Elid ("by my will"..."by his will") that they may not be entirely on the same page regarding the whole situation.

Ever since Elid showed up in the Sands he was always shown to be calm and collected and his intent was never to fight, I'd guess he and Laha see things differently and he reaches out to Urianger in an attempt to convince him to surrender or join their plans to avert even more devastation when Zodiark is resurrected, to have him broker a peaceful surrender now that the scions are pretty much done with.

Elidibus claims to be an emissary that doesn't want to cause direct harm, and that those with the Echo and the Ascians should be on the same side, but he's also sicced a lot of voidsent and sellswords onto us as 'tests'. He also takes his name from a bonus boss in FFT that acts very differently from the other Zodiac enemies.

[ronin sparthos]

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Re: Merl/Kal-E Senna

I feel that a post-episode followup scene with the Grand Company leaders really soaking in what Raubahn being out of commission means for their efforts against Garlemald. Politics aside, the GC leaders have been shipped as friends (of circumstance) and the callous way they extricated themselves out of the situation make the whole thing come off as leaving their pal to rot with his nation.

Re: Urianger

There's no way he's gone evil. Moenbryda was pretty much the only person he had feelings for and if anything him and Elidibus share a common trait of being 'big picture' people. While the Scions and the Ascians typically retreat to their respective corners of adulating their respective God, Urianger and Elidibus seem tuned into the idea that the cycle is something that potentially *needs* to happen and that both sides are essentially just pawns in the cycle.

I think Elidibus is going to point this out to Urianger in an attempt to sway him.

Re: Alphinaud

I know it's easy to give the kid shit for being a chessmaster type who's too green to really understand that war isn't this exercise where you sit back and throw other people into the fray but he's one of the few characters actually playing the long game here. The game that ultimately matters.

The GC leaders are bogged down in their own problems while Galvus and Garlemald coalesce and prepare for another attempt at invasion. One that Eorzea is not prepared to win. Alphi has been instrumental in not only cementing the birth of an alliance with Ishgard but also acting as the chain linking the nations together through the Scions. The Crystal Braves were a good idea but Alphi got outplayed by more experienced schemers.

If anything, it's a teachable moment for our amateur diplomat. He was naive and cut down to size but his heart has always been in the right place.

Re: Raubahn

Heavensward Raubahn is shaping up to be one of the most interesting characters as our noble hero has been completely stripped bare by the Monetarists. Teledji is dead but so might Raubys political career. All of his plot development stands to become moot if Nanamo 'faked' her death. I'm also cosigning on the flash to Raubahn when she gets poisoned as her death being for realz.

"I felt a disturbance in Ul'Dah as if our beloved Sultana cried out and was suddenly silenced...."

[Edelweiss]

Elidibus claims to be an emissary that doesn't want to cause direct harm, and that those with the Echo and the Ascians should be on the same side, but he's also sicced a lot of voidsent and sellswords onto us as 'tests'. He also takes his name from a bonus boss in FFT that acts very differently from the other Zodiac enemies.

While we're on it, Nabriales mentioned that Elidibus and Lahabrea are "of this world" and can thusly move into places protected by the Blessing of Light (or places that were formerly protected anyway, prior to the events of Part One). The only two ways I can think to construe that means that they have host bodies (assuming that this enables doing so) or they're beings from Hydaelyn who became Ascians.

[ronin sparthos]

Thancred was a Scion of the Seventh Dawn once...

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And then he took an arrow to the knee. *booooooo*