FFXIV story/lore thread

[Seravi Edalborez]

As for the Warrior of Darkness thing--he's definitely supposed to evoke the stock Warrior of Light from the trailers. It's possible he, and his party, got sent to an alternate dimension Eorzea when Grampa sent them forward in time during Cartenau. I dunno. It'd be super Final Fantasy of them, I guess, to show us the supposed stock WoL in all the trailers and have him actually be a Warrior of Darkness or something.

Let's go one step further.

What if the Ascians are in someway related to, if not are, the alternate universe Scions or equivalent thereof.

[Eurell]

. It's possible he, and his party, got sent to an alternate dimension Eorzea when Grampa sent them forward in time during Cartenau. I dunno. It'd be super Final Fantasy of them, I guess, to show us the supposed stock WoL in all the trailers and have him actually be a Warrior of Darkness or something.

Nah. That HW intro or w/e it was. It still shows that generic WoL in our shoes, as he is there when Nanamo gets poisoned. I mean, they obviously look similar, but theres no way the WoD can be the dude one from the videos.

[Niiro]

Is Sharlayan being on the world map just an anachronism from 1.0 when (I assume) it was planned to be in Eorzea?

[Jem]

Let's go one step further.

What if the Ascians are in someway related to, if not are, the alternate universe Scions or equivalent thereof.

The problem is that they have already done the Lahabrea/Thancred thing. Well I guess it's not so much a problem, just that it didn't come up at the time and Lahabrea is the type of smug snake who would at least reference him and Thancred being alike.

Nah. That HW intro or w/e it was. It still shows that generic WoL in our shoes, as he is there when Nanamo gets poisoned. I mean, they obviously look similar, but theres no way the WoD can be the dude one from the videos.

They could pull the Lillisette/Lilith card. The WoD isn't an alternate you, it's a future you. Maybe after losing the light again / people dying and you being powerless to stop it.

[Niiro]

I vote we stop this alternate timeline/universe discussion immediately before we start giving the devs (bad) ideas.

Time travel and multiple dimensions is bottom-of-the-barrel storytelling unless it's central to the entire universe.

[Makwa]

I figured he was in a different spot as well and seemed to get away without being apprehended in Ul'Dah. Maybe he knew and tried to stop it but was too late, and left for Ishgard.

[Drai]

These appear in the skies (Sea of Clouds, Churning Mists for sure) and I originally thought they might be Garlean but this close up shot looks far too foreign for that

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lateish reply but the current theory is it's this

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http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/F...unar_Whale.png

[Spira]

lateish reply but the current theory is it's this

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http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/F...unar_Whale.png

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slightly bigger pic, using an in game model
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/F...unar_Whale.png

i do see the resemblence

[Cutriss]

Is Sharlayan being on the world map just an anachronism from 1.0 when (I assume) it was planned to be in Eorzea?

IIRC Rocl answered to this earlier in the thread. Sharlayan used to be on Aldenard, and then they relocated across the Bloodbrine Sea, but an enclave of the city remained (along with Louisoux).

[Niiro]

But when we go there it's made pretty clear that the place in Dravania was a settlement established by the Sharlayan, then abandoned.

[Kaslo]

So a silly comment on State of the Realm got me thinking it would actually be pretty fun:

a primal summoned by the Floating Continent nodes (the Gillys)

[gattsuru]

But when we go there it's made pretty clear that the place in Dravania was a settlement established by the Sharlayan, then abandoned.

The Sharlayans originated in an island far north of Aldenard, well outside of any maps. We don't know exactly when, but they were already well-known as a seat of learning and history by the second century of the Sixth Astral Era, three centuries before the founding of Ishguard. Much more recently, in the 1300s of the Sixth Astral Era, they later created a colony in northwestern Dravania, which became powerful enough over the next century to be recognized as a pseudo fifth city-state.

This colony was abandoned soon after the fall of Ala Mhigo somewhere around 1560, fifteen years before Current Time, when it became obvious that the Sharlayan policy of diplomacy and neutrality wasn't going to viable under Garlean attack. A few members remained and became the Circle of Knowing.

((Given Doma, I'm not sure how well retreat will work for the Sharlayans in the long run.))

[Rocl]

The abandonment of Eorzea-Sharlayan was mentioned in 1.0 so it's not what I'd call a retcon. (Pre-Yoshida 1.0 too)

I'm confused about the idea of it being an anachronism though since everything gattsuru is correct.

[jibini]

I vote we stop this alternate timeline/universe discussion immediately before we start giving the devs (bad) ideas.

Time travel and multiple dimensions is bottom-of-the-barrel storytelling unless it's central to the entire universe.

Pretty sure that idea is already well-entrenched in their heads. Lahabrea, in the CS before the fight at the end of Aertherochemical Research Facility, brought up the (re)joining again: "Through the joining, the world shall become whole again. Then all shall be as once it was - as it should ever have remained."

Rocl had a post back on page 55 that detailed some of the existing connections between FFV and FFXIV, including the Isle of Val. We know the researchers at the Isle of Val were looking into the rejoining before they mysteriously disappeared. FFV's plot involved a world that had been split into two being reunited as a single world, so that the game's villain could access something that couldn't be reached while the two halves were separate.

[Niiro]

The abandonment of Eorzea-Sharlayan was mentioned in 1.0 so it's not what I'd call a retcon. (Pre-Yoshida 1.0 too)

I'm confused about the idea of it being an anachronism though since everything gattsuru is correct.

Because the world map shows Sharlayan as being in Dravania, not the northern island we're told it to be on.

[Jem]

Pretty sure that idea is already well-entrenched in their heads. Lahabrea, in the CS before the fight at the end of Aertherochemical Research Facility, brought up the (re)joining again: "Through the joining, the world shall become whole again. Then all shall be as once it was - as it should ever have remained.".

Random thought.

In Tactics Elidibus is the secret 13th member. In XIV we have The Twelve. What if Elidibus is the secret 13th? Possibly through him and Hydaelyn joining. Maybe even the Warrior of Light and the Warrior of Dark combined make the 13th and they are Hydaelyn/Elidibus's respective champions.

"What... Who are you..." - The motherfucking 13th, the champion of The Twelve

[Stef]

I wouldn't be surprised if the new Crystal Tower-equivalent starts in Azys Lla involving the Triad then involves the Lunar Whale in part two, and finally takes us to the Lunar surface in the third part.

Also, my guess for 4.0 is Ala Mihgo. They've been laying the grounds for the effort to take back Ala Mihgo for a while now and there's plenty of concept art for the city already. They could add Gyr Abania and Xelphatol as the major regions. Who knows, since it's further to the east they might be able to work Blue Mage into the Ala Mihgan culture... and maybe some Doman Samurais made it over as well That could also set us up for Garlemald in 5.0 before they need to bring in new enemies and locations in 6.0 onwards.

[Rocl]

Because the world map shows Sharlayan as being in Dravania, not the northern island we're told it to be on.

That is Sharlayan though. The colony and the country share the same name: Sharlayan. Eorzean-Sharlayan colony is in Dravania, known as Sharlayan. Capital Sharlayan in the Northern Islands, known as Sharlayan.

In Tactics Elidibus is the secret 13th member. In XIV we have The Twelve. What if Elidibus is the secret 13th? Possibly through him and Hydaelyn joining. Maybe even the Warrior of Light and the Warrior of Dark combined make the 13th and they are Hydaelyn/Elidibus's respective champions.

"What... Who are you..." - The motherfucking 13th, the champion of The Twelve

Nald'thal is already worshiped as two separate gods most of the time (Nald and Thal) so it'd technically be the 14th. Vaguely recall the Scions saying in 1.0 (when they were the Circle of Knowing) "everyone calls them the Twelve but you know there's Thirteen!"

[Jem]

If they were treated as 2 seperate entities that would upset the balance of Astral/Umbral though! >_>

[Silenka]

Nald'thal is already worshiped as two separate gods most of the time (Nald and Thal) so it'd technically be the 14th. Vaguely recall the Scions saying in 1.0 (when they were the Circle of Knowing) "everyone calls them the Twelve but you know there's Thirteen!"

I remember seeing this rather more recently as I never played 1.0. Can't remember where though. Maybe the opening Gridania CS for new character? Either way, I definitely saw this mentioned recently ingame.

Noob questions,2nd is probably answered in coil storyline which I've been too lazy to do and if so just ignore:
Why did the Sharlayans abandon the Dravanian settlement?
What caused Allagan civilization to fall?

As far as Au ra being dropped in, they made such a big deal about Yugiri being "different" and that's why she had to hide her features, but now everyone's a damn Au ra. I understand why it had to be done, adding an entire new race that wasn't there before can't be easy to explain away, but I feel like they could have offered SOME kind of explanation at least. I guess she doesn't hide herself now, working together with the Warrior of Light so word must have got around about the Au ra and now less of them are hiding? lol
I do hope one expansion is going to Doman lands. I'm sure we'll get more Au ra lore than we can handle at that point.