FFXIV story/lore thread

[Zarris]

As for the Heavenward storyline moving forward, regarding Nidhogg:

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Is there any place he could be going besides Azys Lla? There would really be no better addition to his army than ancient pissed off Meracydian dragons that have been tortured and enslaved by a race of men for nigh on six thousand years, and we kinda just opened up the gate that he was unable to open himself. It could also lead up to Tiamat being pulled into the fray. The XIV version of Tiamat seems fed up with conflict and is content with her imprisonment, but if her suffering children were conscripted I could see her putting that aside to protect them. It would open a way for there to be a Tiamat fight, and given her past FF history it does feel kinda inevitable.

[Pruviant]

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I could see that happening, maybe now that Nidhogg has both eyes and at full strength he will be able to free Tiamat ... but would Tiamat seek revenge on Eorzea or side with Hraesvelgr and Vidnofir and try to end the Dragonsong war? Either way it would be exciting to see such an iconic FF dragon enter the fray

[Eurell]

Wouldn't make too much sense since Tiamat specifically said they wanted to stay imprisoned. Nid could always go up and steal her eyes though. That would be pretty fucked up, but help us build up to a bigger Nidhogg extreme eventually.

[Edelweiss]

I'd rather see Tiamat reunite with her father and remaining not-evil brother for something resembling a happy ending for the remaining high dragons.

It's probably not going to happen, but still, poor Tiamat.

[Lokus]

Aren't there still 2 of Midgardsormr's sons that we haven't seen yet?

[Rocl]

Seen in concept art but not named. It should be pointed out we can only positively identify Midgardsormr, Tiamat, Nidhogg and Hraesvelgr in the art.

We know of Bahamut, Tiamat, Nidhogg, Hraesvelgr, and Ratatoskr. So yeah, there's two missing names.

[Alkar]

I really don't see Tiamat turning against us anytime soon, Nidhogg or not. She is responsible for summoning Bahamut and all that followed after all... if anything she'd help us out against the Ascians.

[Edelweiss]

I'd imagine trying to motivate her to make up for summoning Bahamut back as a primal by putting an end to the Dragonsong War with some very visible aid might be how they play it. If not for us/her father/siblings/the dragonkin/Meracydia, then revenge.

Especially since they still owe us that acknowledgement for defeating Bahamut's Prime form and putting the Meracydians confined aboard Dalamud to rest, it'd be an awful shame to just leave her up there in those fucking neurolinks being all depressed and lonely.

[haroldsaxon]

Especially since they still owe us that acknowledgement for defeating Bahamut's Prime form and putting the Meracydians confined aboard Dalamud to rest, it'd be an awful shame to just leave her up there in those fucking neurolinks being all depressed and lonely.

I can't see SE acknowledging Turn 13 and final coi because, just like the T12 cutscene, the lazy players will whine about not being able to be a part of the story.

[Lokus]

I can't see SE acknowledging Turn 13 and final coi because, just like the T12 cutscene, the lazy players will whine about not being able to be a part of the story.

Yea, that right there is the biggest cockblock to any worthwhile link the player can have with Tiamat in regard to Bahamut. Even though unsynced coil is fairly easy, it's still a huge wall for a good portion of the playerbase.

[Alkar]

I can't see SE acknowledging Turn 13 and final coi because, just like the T12 cutscene, the lazy players will whine about not being able to be a part of the story.

Well... at some point they have to. I'm sure Bahamut will show up again in some form and there's also

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Alisaie in the preview for the next MSQ.

[Niiro]

Why would Baha have to show up again.

We shut him down, the coils are disabled.

They'd either have to have someone reactivate them again (which they won't do because then you involve the coil story of us deactivating them) or have him be summoned the old fashion way by a group of followers.

[Alkar]

Why would Baha have to show up again.

We shut him down, the coils are disabled.

They'd either have to have someone reactivate them again (which they won't do because then you involve the coil story of us deactivating them) or have him be summoned the old fashion way by a group of followers.

Because it's Bahamut, the most iconic summon in the FF series. He's also heavily involved in the SMN storyline and I'm assuming we're gonna get more skills to use under Trance when the cap increases.
He will come back, maybe in a different form (Neo Bahamut/ Bahamut Zero).

[Rocl]

They never have to acknowledge the Coil storyline because canonically only like Alphinaud and Alisaie know anything that went down and promised not to tell. A small aside line with Alisaie/Alphinaud acknowledging our T13 clear is the most you can expect and wouldn't be a surprising nod to the players.

Bahamut appearing again in some form isn't an unreasonable assumption. He's one of Midgardsormr's children and is a huge part of the storyline at large and the effects of Bahamut's summoning are still profoundly felt in Eorzea.

[Kaslo]

I have read the history of Final Fantasy XIV from beginning in version 1.0 until now and I prefer the history of Final Fantasy XI. Sorry Square Enix but this is true for me, then no discontinue your first online game from PS2, XBOX360 and PC. Thanks very much.

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[solracht]

He's also heavily involved in the SMN storyline

this is quite the exaggeration

[Alkar]

this is quite the exaggeration

Hmm no, the whole point of the new SMN quests is to channel Bahamut's power. I also doubt the whole Trance thing will be dropped when the cap rises again so we'll probably learn more of his abilities.

[Azat]

Based on end of 2.0 main story, if people havent done anything else, you can believe bahamut was gone after terraflare attack with some minor plotholes.

When se released t11cs, not knowing anything else about coil, that would lead you to believe hes perma gone from that scene.

Only vague place would be if still in middle of coil quests.

As to the smn 50+ questline, Bahamut has no direct involvement in smn quest. His being dead or currently alive doesnt have any bearing on that plot.

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[Rocl]

Hmm no, the whole point of the new SMN quests is to channel Bahamut's power. I also doubt the whole Trance thing will be dropped when the cap rises again so we'll probably learn more of his abilities.

The first Summoner quest teases you with the prospect of summoning Ramuh-Egi. Then you run around and chase Tristan's brother reanimated by an Ascian. Then at the penultimate quest Y'mhitra discovers an alternative to Egis (the "trance" summoning). Bahamut plays little role in the Summoner questline at all. He's just a conveniently power Primal to channel with our newfound Trance abilities. I don't even remember why Y'mhitra chooses Bahamut for us to emulate. But it's absolutely not true that the SMN storyline does anything to expand on Bahamut's story. At all. The 3.0 MSQ has more Bahamut relevant lore than SMN 3.0's story.

EDIT: I looked up the dialogue from the SMN quests and again, Bahamut isn't even mentioned until lv58. And he's chosen by Y'mhitra for us to use for "trance" because he was more powerful than any other Primal we faced--she believes we need the power of an Elder Primal to kill the Ascian and a lesser one won't do.

[solracht]

Hmm no, the whole point of the new SMN quests is to channel Bahamut's power

lol

should probably go rewatch the CSs