Israel/Palstine War - Twitter edition

[kuronosan]

Improper use of safe face, implying that what I did want what was originally intended.

[ringthree]

Improper use of safe face, implying that what I did want what was originally intended.

In a thread about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict specifically regarding the rocket attacks in the recent days, in response to a post about the rockets being shot by the Palestinians, you decide to point out that rocks and arrows once used the term "missile"?

You are just trolling now.

[kuronosan]

Wow, you really are off your rocker.

[Cleverness]

In a thread about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict specifically regarding the rocket attacks in the recent days, in response to a post about the rockets being shot by the Palestinians, you decide to point out that rocks and arrows once used the term "missile"?

You are just trolling now.

Actually going off the second part of the definition, which he says he focused on when posting that definition and is abit more detailed in its definition, a rock or arrow wouldn't apply in this case as those are not self propelled. Trying to be clever and making an arrow shooting comment, which focuses on the first part of the definition that is completely vague and could apply to almost anything, is silly and missing the context of his post.

I mean I don't agree with him since it's a misunderstanding between what is classified as a missile and a rocket these days, but your attempts at being witty fail.

[ringthree]

Actually going off the second part of the definition, which he says he focused on when posting that definition and is abit more detailed in its definition, a rock or arrow wouldn't apply in this case as those are not self propelled. Trying to be clever and making an arrow shooting comment, which focuses on the first part of the definition that is completely vague and could apply to almost anything, is silly and missing the context of his post.

I mean I don't agree with him since it's a misunderstanding between what is classified as a missile and a rocket these days, but your attempts at being witty fail.

It's funny because you mention context and yet his original post completely missed the context of the question and the response.

[Salodin]

This whole conversation is stupid.

[Cyn]

Most things are when religion is involved.

[ronin sparthos]

It's the usual BG semantics argument that pops up to distract from the main issue of discussion.

[Cyn]

It's still surprising how far these things can go sometimes. I'm sure 90% of us reading it are having absolutely no problems understanding the difference between rockets and missiles in relation to this conversation, it's just the usual suspects bickering because they don't have anything meaningful to contribute at the moment.

[Milkster]

That's what happens when a large group of pseudo-intellectuals get together.

[Churchill]

Missiles are guided, rockets are unguided.

Oh, that was said 50 posts ago.

[Salodin]

Missiles are guided, rockets are unguided.

Oh, that was said 50 posts ago.

But the rails the rockets are on are aimed at israels general direction; there for they're guided missiles.

[kuronosan]

It's funny because you mention context and yet his original post completely missed the context of the question and the response.

There was no context. I was pointing out that missiles don't necessarily have to be guided and it was refuted with the idea that it must be a semantic argument. It is a semantic argument. The concept of a missile versus a rocket has come to mean something in modern-day society. I am telling you that a missile does not necessarily have to be guided. That is not correct. What I did add was that in the context of argument, the second definition (self-propelled, guided) applies.

It's like fucking saying a tomato is a fruit and/or a vegetable. It's a fruit. Many people treat it as a vegetable and serve it with other vegetables, despite the fact that it is classified as a fruit. Arguing over whether or not it is a fruit or vegetable is stupid because classification supersedes popular belief.

You're also assuming that I don't agree on what defines a missile these days. All I was offering was the notion that a missile need not necessarily be guided and you decided to go off on a "safeface" tangent. You then called it trolling. A missile is a projectile. A rocket is a projectile. Both are self-propelled. Both can be guided in one fashion or another. Modern guided-missiles use guidance via heat, laser, cable, or whichever. Most rockets do not. The distinction between the two is all about definition. A rocket is a type of missile. A missile is not a type of rocket. End of story.

Where's George Carlin when you need him?

[BaneTheBrawler]

Most things are when religion is involved.

the Rockets are atheists.

edit: also, salodin, not sure if serious, but in case you are: aimed and guided are different. a bullet is aimed, those rockets are aimed, neither is guided. guided means controlled up until the moment of impact.

[Kuya]

Report on how the war might undermine the PA's attempt to raise Palestine to observer status in the UN. It also mentions how a dovish israeli diplomat thinks the PA should be allowed to have its victory in the UN in order to shore the PA up, as it's losing support due to its image of capitulating to Israel.

Though beset by a two-year impasse in the negotiations, rejection by the Israeli government, and a budgetary crisis, Abbas was poised to mount a controversial bid for international recognition at the United Nations, which could have revived support. But the Gaza fighting is making him look like a spectator rather than a central player to the regional events; the Palestinian Authority isn't believed to be a part of the cease-fire talks, which are led by Egypt and include Qatar, Turkey, and Tunisia.

"The UN bid of the Palestinian Authority is one of the early casualties of this war... the political significance of this move is going to be much less than it could have been. All the attention is going to this war,'' says Ghassan Khatib, a Palestinian political analyst and former spokesman for the Palestinian Authority.

Just last month Abbas, the leader of the US-supported Palestinian Authority in the West Bank, spoke to Israelis directly in a local television interview, promising that there would be no new intifada, or uprising, as long as he was president.

Those comments and other mollifying remarks suggesting he'd give up the right of return for Palestinian refugees still ring in the ears of Palestinians. They stand in stark contrast to the repeated rocket attacks on Israeli cities coming out of Gaza, which have given them a sense of empowerment.

In the days before the outbreak of the fighting, Israeli government ministers had launched a public relations offensive against Mr. Abbas. Israel's finance minister threatened to stop the flow of tax money that Israel collects for the Palestinian Authority – a move that could seriously destabilize Mr. Abbas' government, which is already struggling financially – and Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman called Abbas's UN initiative "diplomatic terror" and released a position paper suggesting that he be toppled.

Given Abbas's weakening credibility among his constituents, Alon Liel, a dovish former Israeli diplomat, says that the government should consider softening their approach, and even give allow him a diplomatic victory at the UN.

"Abu Mazen gave up on the armed struggle, he did a diplomatic struggle," says Mr. Liel, using Mr. Abbas's nom de guerre. "If Abu Mazen gets this recognition by diplomatic means, he will balance the damage caused to him by this war.... I think it’s very important to let Abu Mazen have his diplomatic win, rather than let Hamas have its military win."

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middl...a-counterparts

[Plow]

Definitely agree. It won't happen, though, because Israel loses the provocation excuse, and Palestine just plain doesn't get what they want, if diplomacy wins out.

[Correction]

[Salodin]

the Rockets are atheists.

edit: also, salodin, not sure if serious, but in case you are: aimed and guided are different. a bullet is aimed, those rockets are aimed, neither is guided. guided means controlled up until the moment of impact.

those rockets must have sent a hard breeze your way

[BaneTheBrawler]

like I said I wasn't sure. text is tone deaf, etc

[Churchill]

It's pretty common for Israel to "miss" with precision weapons and also take out important infrastructure.