Israel/Palstine War - Twitter edition

[tyven]

The closest thing it would be likened to is Arwrology.

are you a bad enough dude to defeat an IDF guy in h2h combat?

[tyven]

Residue.

Anyway, recent events seem to show that Israel's issue is not with violent forms of resistance, but it seems to want no resistance at all.

Residue became Meat and im pretty sure Meat was just trolling most of the time. Though I believe he did get his IDF on

[Churchill]

are you a bad enough dude to defeat an IDF guy in h2h combat?

If I am going up against a UCF dude I would more than likely get my ass handed to me in less than a minute.

Arwrology is more like a fluid strike system designed to be used with your hands, a pistol, or a knife, using the same movements for everything. It's very effective at taking out groups of people if you initiate the encounter, but not so much for sustained melee combat. Everything I know for sustained is Brazlian Jiu-Jutsu and while that gets a lot of praise, I'm no where near proficient at it and a lot of it can be overcome by brute strength or size advantages. A 5'8" 150lbs dude who is some black belt master going against someone who is 6'5" and 240 solid is not going to do some crazy stuff other than get his shit pushed in.

I don't know too much about Krav Maga, but quit wiki makes the two sound similar in their premise.

[archibaldcrane]

I was going to make a Royce Gracie/Ken Shamrock statement here but fuck it

[Andalusian girls]

yeah a bjj black belt could choke out an untrained guy who has a lot of size on him fairly easily

neutralizing size through leverage is kind of the whole point of bjj and Royce did take out about a dozen guys who outweighed him by 50-100 pounds

main problem with submission grappling, of any kind, is that it's only effective against one bro at a time and you are totally vulnerable while you are tying said bro into knots. bro's friend could come up and facestomp you with the greatest of ease

[Churchill]

I should caveat that the other fighter has some knowledge, I had my elbow dislocated by a much smaller dude when I was learning lol.

Edit: That was always my main problem with taking it any further, it's great for 1v1 but I've never been in a fight where I fought one dude or the threat of more joining wasn't present.

[Mazmaz]

Isn't Krav Maga a series of kicking balls and following through?

[Krazy]

When I saw it being done on The League, it appeared to be used for making a male ejaculate.

[Mazmaz]

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/why-d...emium-1.482224

Why did Israel kill Jabari?
Now that the explosions have stopped, we are obligated to delve into the truth behind Operation Pillar of Defense.

The real story behind Operation Pillar of Defense in Gaza has not yet been investigated, but now that the explosions have stopped, we are obligated to delve into the truth. The decision to kill Hamas military chief Ahmed Jabari, which was the opening shot of the operation, was made even though he was involved in negotiations on signing a long-term cease-fire agreement.

A few hours before he was assassinated, he had received a draft of an agreement for a permanent cease-fire with Israel, and he was apparently expected to reply to it affirmatively. The indirect contacts with Jabari had taken place over the course of months via Hamas' deputy foreign minister, Ghazi Hamad, with the knowledge and consent of Defense Minister Ehud Barak.

These contacts with Hamas were conducted by Gershon Baskin, who served as an intermediary in the deal for the return of kidnapped soldier Gilad Shalit. Baskin had reported his progress toward a draft agreement to the members of a special committee appointed by Barak back in May, a panel that also included representatives of other government ministries.

In other words, our decision makers, including the defense minister and perhaps also Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, knew about Jabari's role in advancing a permanent cease-fire agreement. Jabari was the strongman of the Gaza Strip - Israel's "subcontractor," as Haaretz editor-in-chief Aluf Benn characterized him - so Hamad submitted each draft prepared with Baskin to Jabari for approval.

Also party to the negotiations on a permanent cease-fire were Egyptian intelligence officials. Some of the meetings between Baskin and Hamad took place in Cairo. These Egyptian intelligence officials were in constant contact with Barak's envoys, so one would assume that in addition to Baskin, they too were informing Israel of their impressions of the progress in the talks on a draft agreement.

At no point in the negotiations between Baskin and Hamad was the former ever told to stop.

Moreover, about a week before Jabari's assassination, Israeli military officials asked permission from their commanders to meet with Baskin and get a briefing. This permission was denied.

Thus the decision to kill Jabari shows that our decision makers decided a cease-fire would be undesirable for Israel at this time, and that attacking Hamas would be preferable. It seems a view had developed that Israel needed to strengthen its deterrence against Hamas rather than reach agreement with it on a period of calm. In the view of the defense establishment and the prime and defense ministers' bureaus, a cease-fire agreement might have undermined Israel's deterrence and weakened its image of resolve. Bolstering its deterrence, in this view, would be achieved by killing Jabari, who was liable to respond affirmatively to the offer of a long-term cease-fire.

In this way, Israel's leaders killed three birds with one stone: They assassinated the man who had the power to make a deal with Israel; they took revenge on someone who had caused more than a few Israeli casualties; and they signaled to Hamas that communications with it will be conducted only through military force.

Quite aside from the fact that the results of Operation Pillar of Defense didn't meet the expectations of those who launched it, the decision makers must answer one important question: If they knew it was possible to reach a cease-fire agreement (whose provisions, incidentally, were better than those of the agreement reached after the operation ) without going to war, why did they assassinate Jabari, and thereby also assassinate the chances of achieving calm without shooting? Is it possible, heaven forbid, that Barak and Netanyahu feared the opportunity to conduct a military operation at the end of their government's term would elude them, and that's why they ordered Jabari's liquidation?

To keep us from suspecting their motives, the prime minister and defense minister must explain their considerations and decisions in the Jabari affair.

[Correction]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stor...id-israel.html

Roth also said Fantino would review Canada's funding to the Palestinians for humanitarian and security projects.

"We intend to, by and large, see these projects through. The relevant minister will, as a matter of course, as they do on all matters, review the path forward once the projects have been successfully completed," the spokesman said in an email to media outlets Tuesday.

Canada's five-year, $300-million commitment formally expires at the end of the current fiscal year, in March.

The money goes toward strengthening the Palestinian justice system, private sector economic development and health and education assistance.

I guess it's Canada's turn to be run by George W. Bush.

[ringthree]

There are good people in Israel's leadership.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle6019389/

[Churchill]

It's just not the right time for those coloreds to get rights. There's too much chaos at the moment, they can't be eating at the same restaurants or drinking the same water - from the view of time this is just not ideal.

[archibaldcrane]

I never understood the "we have a President AND a prime minister" form of government. What's the point?

[Andalusian girls]

twice as many sex scandals

[Acevalefor]

twice as many sex scandals

Once again, your avatar is perfect.

[Niiro]

I never understood the "we have a President AND a prime minister" form of government. What's the point?

Dividing the duties of head of state and head of government can be convenient in a lot of ways. It's a lot more efficient to have one guy handle domestic issues and another deal with international diplomacy/spokesperson of the nation.

No wonder we've got all those before and after pics of former presidents that look like they were taken 20 years apart.

[archibaldcrane]

Well then shouldn't only one of them spend time talking about Palestine? It seems like they have fairly different points of view.

[Niiro]

Well there's obviously gonna be issues if there are internal disagreements, but Israel is hardly a typical case.

[ringthree]

Well then shouldn't only one of them spend time talking about Palestine? It seems like they have fairly different points of view.

I am not an expert on the Israeli governmental structure and it has dramatically changed in recent years, but I believe currently that the President is directly elected or something like that and the Prime Minister is elected by the ruling coalition in the Knesset. More power resides with the PM than the President.

[Kuya]

Not much different, Israel has confirmed it will hold the tax money until March that it will use to pay off Palestinian debts, increase settlement expansion in the West Bank, and israeli forces have raided the headquaters of palestinian civil liberties groups in the West Bank. All of it seems directed with the intent to punish the palestinians for their recent actions at the UN.

Israel has confirmed it will withhold Palestinian funds until at least March in response to the recent vote for Palestinian recognition at the United Nations. In addition to seizing Palestinian tax revenue, Israel has also announced a radical West Bank settlement expansion since the United Nations voted to grant Palestine the status of a non-member observer state last month. In a speech Tuesday night, Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman said Palestinians can forget about getting "even one cent" until March.

Avigdor Lieberman: "What we are doing at the moment, for the next four months, we will take back our own money. It’s not their money, it’s ours. It’s our down payments, our payments for their electricity, water and other services. So, first of all, they can forget about getting even one cent in the coming four months. First of all, we’ll take back what is ours, and in four months’ time we will examine and decide how to proceed."

The announcement came hours after Israeli forces raided the offices of three civil society groups in the West Bank city of Ramallah. Entering overnight, Israeli soldiers broke open the doors of the Women’s Union, the Palestinian NGO Network and Addameer, which works on behalf of Palestinians in Israeli jails. The invading soldiers badly damaged computers and furniture.

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/12/12/headlines#12126