Winter 2012-13 Anime Season Thread

[Pere]

Robotics;Notes 16



Haha, time for Steins;Gate mode

Wow... that was.. no words.

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When the exolegs break mizuka back it hurt me so much.. jesus.. Kai should've tackled her from the sides or maybe not, who knows what the fuck would have done those exolegs..

[Mrbeansman]

Hard to believe after seeing that but it only gets better from here.

[Ker]

Suisei no Galgantia PV3
Series written by Gen Urobuchi(Madoka, Fate/Zero and Psycho-Pass).






Haiyore! Nyaruko-san Season 2
Date Spring Season

[Gulkeeva]

Suisei no Galgantia PV3
Series written by Gen Urobuchi(Madoka, Fate/Zero and Psycho-Pass).

noooooo, the video is blocked.. needed to see the new girl O_o

also hmm writer for Psycho-Pass and madoka.. should be interesting story then too O_o

[Zilong]

sufferings, sufferings everywhere

[Elcura]

I fucking hope they suffer, cause those pictures make me roll my eyes. Skin flares and stupid faces, what could be worse?

[Charismatic]

I just watched ep. 16 of R;N.

These feels...

[arus2001]

While I understand what happened happened, I still feel like it could've been easily prevented. :/

[Elcura]

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Not really, you have a machine that for all intents and purposes are supposed to mimic lower body functions meaning that unless you had some scissors or something strong enough to break the binds (unlikely given the situation) there isn't much you can do. After all, how do you stop your own legs from walking off a cliff? You saw what it did to Misa's body in order to simply get up from lying down, so every position can be countered. The more you interfere the higher the risk that the person gets completely broken, I'm not sure how you stop that unless you could get out of the restraints which are locked mechanically to prevent slipping (so I assume, otherwise she would've just gotten out).

Overall, she was pretty boned. Dat crunch was perfect.

[arus2001]

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Not really, you have a machine that for all intents and purposes are supposed to mimic lower body functions meaning that unless you had some scissors or something strong enough to break the binds (unlikely given the situation) there isn't much you can do. After all, how do you stop your own legs from walking off a cliff? You saw what it did to Misa's body in order to simply get up from lying down, so every position can be countered. The more you interfere the higher the risk that the person gets completely broken, I'm not sure how you stop that unless you could get out of the restraints which are locked mechanically to prevent slipping (so I assume, otherwise she would've just gotten out).

Overall, she was pretty boned. Dat crunch was perfect.

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At the very least, we're led to believe the legs aren't that heavy since they were carried around in a little box. And while I won't discount the fact their forward motion capabilities are probably their strongest aspect, as such trying to push her backward would be difficult, there's still stuff like center of gravity to consider. Suplexing her made me chuckle, sure, but I'm also skeptical that injury would also happen based on the joints largely looking along the sides of the supports. But yeah, go low (around the hips) and tackle her from the side. Unless we're supposed to believe he's a total fucking sissy and the legs weigh hundreds of pounds. Hell, the very same episode showed just how vulnerable robotics were to balance issues with the GVm2 losing it to wind.

Even if it did keep self-correcting and forcing her upright, it needed some time to do so. Look for a big rock to smash the joints. Hell, take the rope off the edge and tie her to something. Carry her on your shoulder even if it means you're getting kneed in the chest. I would've been okay with the malfunction if there simply wasn't so much time to react. Heck, it would've been more dramatic it if just mangled her standing upright popping her legs from her hips or something. Just drama that seemed forced rather than relate-able.

[Elcura]

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At the very least, we're led to believe the legs aren't that heavy since they were carried around in a little box. And while I won't discount the fact their forward motion capabilities are probably their strongest aspect, as such trying to push her backward would be difficult, there's still stuff like center of gravity to consider. Suplexing her made me chuckle, sure, but I'm also skeptical that injury would also happen based on the joints largely looking along the sides of the supports. But yeah, go low (around the hips) and tackle her from the side. Unless we're supposed to believe he's a total fucking sissy and the legs weigh hundreds of pounds. Hell, the very same episode showed just how vulnerable robotics were to balance issues with the GVm2 losing it to wind.

Even if it did keep self-correcting and forcing her upright, it needed some time to do so. Look for a big rock to smash the joints. Hell, take the rope off the edge and tie her to something. Carry her on your shoulder even if it means you're getting kneed in the chest. I would've been okay with the malfunction if there simply wasn't so much time to react. Heck, it would've been more dramatic it if just mangled her standing upright popping her legs from her hips or something. Just drama that seemed forced rather than relate-able.

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Which is all easily said and done in retrospect, but in the heat of the situation things tend to play out more straightforwardly.

Either way, the size of the box doesn't really have that much impact on weight. The legs are designed to support more than grown adult's weight while keeping them mobile and flexible, so you can assume they're strong since you don't build shit for disabled people that breaks under their own weight (ignoring that they made shit for disabled people that walks off cliffs). At the very least it's as strong as or stronger than bone (more likely).

Also, it auto-corrected in like 10 seconds and did major damage the only time it did, managing to lift and propel a grown woman with no effort at all. I think that only proves how strong they are. Would you really expect that more of the same would save that person rather than wreck them? Did you not see the part of the machine that was like a back-brace? How do you think she broke her back if the machinery was only along the side? You can assume the parts twist as well, effectively making it a death cage no matter what. Hell, after her back she was probably dead anyway.

Would you expect a boy to lift a grown woman who's taller and heavier (even without the robotic legs) than they are to safety while the legs are kicking them? No matter how much time he had to react the result would've been the same. I guess you could tie a rope around her, except it's short so you wouldn't have much time to do it and you risk getting dragged down with her (which she obviously didn't want).

ITT: It's what I would've done!

[arus2001]

By all means, defend bad writing if that's your preference.

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Leverage is a funny thing. Even not thinking about what one would or wouldn't do, let's look at what happened.

Okay, she pulled her knees back. That's good. In turn, it at least suggests an anchoring of weight to her heels while the knee joints did the work. But it's also not a particularly wide stance, thus subject to stability issues.

And now we're moving. Neither of them are exactly hambeasts, so I'd put her maybe around 110lbs while he's perhaps similar, maybe a bit more. Okay, so we then have to entertain the possibility the knee joints can handle 200+ pounds of person combined. Not unreasonable since one person can weigh that much, and even then people would like to carry things. But I'm also iffy on her lower legs basically being vertical at this point. The moment her upper body leaves the ground, gravity should be trying to pull her back, leaving her teetering on the back of her heels and toward Kai's lower body. Even if the joints were strong enough to hold them in that position, they should just kind of plop since the weight of one end would be greater than another. Had her knees been bent more toward her toes, like she was trying to sit back on her ankles, I'd offer a bit more leeway. Though, as we can see, that's not the case.

I would propose the crunch isn't the result of the machine itself, but rather his weight against her. However, that also doesn't add up because...

...he goes flying away from her, not rolling toward her head and landing behind her. He was basically at or below her center of gravity (hips/upper thighs), making the weight required to snap her back at that awkward angle highly questionable.

Later perspective puts him on the sidewalk, maybe 8-10 feet away. We're somehow supposed to believe that these little lightweight legs not only defied physics, but generated hundreds of pounds of force, presumably at the hip joint, in an instant where an otherwise slow and deliberate pace had been established prior.

Christ, why not sprint off the cliff at that point instead of slow-mo death march? It's just some heavy-handed authoring before we even step into the realms of sensibly preventing it. I'd even question the likelihood of the legs having geographical awareness to know that both a cliff was there and to keep going for it. Was she being remote controlled, then? Maybe we'll see. Just a potentially powerful moment ruined by some inconsistencies. Doubly so if it was meant to take out Kai in the process.

And at that age, all I really did for exercise was bike ride. He does similar. Yet, I was also capable of carrying 200+ pounds on my back or shoulder. Either I'm a freak of nature or, again, writing convenience.

[Mrbeansman]

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Was she being remote controlled, then?

Wellll

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You sure?

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Your gonna find out in like 2 or 3 episodes

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last chance

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Yes Sister Centipede killed her.

[arus2001]

Wellll

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You sure?

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Your gonna find out in like 2 or 3 episodes

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last chance

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Yes Sister Centipede killed her.

Not surprised, but doesn't change my overall sentiment on the event and that it could've been handled better. :/

[Elcura]

By all means, defend bad writing if that's your preference.

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Leverage is a funny thing. Even not thinking about what one would or wouldn't do, let's look at what happened.

Okay, she pulled her knees back. That's good. In turn, it at least suggests an anchoring of weight to her heels while the knee joints did the work. But it's also not a particularly wide stance, thus subject to stability issues.

And now we're moving. Neither of them are exactly hambeasts, so I'd put her maybe around 110lbs while he's perhaps similar, maybe a bit more. Okay, so we then have to entertain the possibility the knee joints can handle 200+ pounds of person combined. Not unreasonable since one person can weigh that much, and even then people would like to carry things. But I'm also iffy on her lower legs basically being vertical at this point. The moment her upper body leaves the ground, gravity should be trying to pull her back, leaving her teetering on the back of her heels and toward Kai's lower body. Even if the joints were strong enough to hold them in that position, they should just kind of plop since the weight of one end would be greater than another. Had her knees been bent more toward her toes, like she was trying to sit back on her ankles, I'd offer a bit more leeway. Though, as we can see, that's not the case.

I would propose the crunch isn't the result of the machine itself, but rather his weight against her. However, that also doesn't add up because...

...he goes flying away from her, not rolling toward her head and landing behind her. He was basically at or below her center of gravity (hips/upper thighs), making the weight required to snap her back at that awkward angle highly questionable.

Later perspective puts him on the sidewalk, maybe 8-10 feet away. We're somehow supposed to believe that these little lightweight legs not only defied physics, but generated hundreds of pounds of force, presumably at the hip joint, in an instant where an otherwise slow and deliberate pace had been established prior.

Christ, why not sprint off the cliff at that point instead of slow-mo death march? It's just some heavy-handed authoring before we even step into the realms of sensibly preventing it. I'd even question the likelihood of the legs having geographical awareness to know that both a cliff was there and to keep going for it. Was she being remote controlled, then? Maybe we'll see. Just a potentially powerful moment ruined by some inconsistencies. Doubly so if it was meant to take out Kai in the process.

And at that age, all I really did for exercise was bike ride. He does similar. Yet, I was also capable of carrying 200+ pounds on my back or shoulder. Either I'm a freak of nature or, again, writing convenience.

So basically you're trying to rebuff robot leg braces because... what? You don't believe robot leg braces that help a person with no lower body function to walk perfectly normal can't lift weights?

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And considering all the conspiracy stuff it isn't unreasonable to assume they weren't made stronger than even needed for a fictional pair of robotic legs, but let's not assume that. And the moment her body leaves the ground gravity is working, otherwise she wouldn't have broken a damn thing and would be fine. She has no control over her feet OR knees (or entire lower body, how are you not getting this concept?) so she wouldn't do anything with them that the machine wasn't doing already, it was basically lifting her whole body up from the base of her spine/hips and knees. The unnatural way she got up was because it was a machine getting up, not a person. A machine doesn't get up naturally, which is what makes the scene freaky because it was so fast and fluid. Kinda like a machine. I feel like I'm repeating myself here.

And then we consider how the machine got up. It anchored its feet flat on the ground and basically forced Mizuka to rise from her knees and from her hips. Kai was on her mid-section trying to unstrap her (which was smart) but then it got up. Body weight and point of pressure were factors in the back breaking. After all lifting from just the knees puts strain on the back like that, then the back brace being small and pushing against her spine didn't help along with Kai. Not hard to understand why she broke. She might have been fine without Kai on her, but she's still walking to her death.

You want to know why it didn't run? Because it would look stupid. Slow-mo death march is dramatic and timely, if you can't see why that's better than a full sprint off a cliff then I hope you aren't a writer. After all, your best solution to stopping it was to tie rope around it. But nothing you said is a sure-fire fix. He did everything a distressed teenager could do, all the while figuring it out while not being in an ironic position to instantly know. And again, you don't seem to understand this is a sci-fi anime about robots, we have GPS in stupid shit now so it's not hard to imagine a robotic leg brace doesn't have some functionality in it. Do you have any imagination at all?

It is a powerful moment, but your misunderstanding of it (or rather, disbelief, because who knew a show about a robot conspiracy destroying the world could stretch reality) seems to put a sour view on it. And I don't know if you were a freak as a kid (probably), but carrying someone who's unconscious can be hard enough, never mind trying to carry someone who's lower half is actually trying to kill them. But I guess if it were you it would be fine.

Not surprised, but doesn't change my overall sentiment on the event and that it could've been handled better. :/

Certainly not by you.

[arus2001]

I see you missed some sarcasm within the criticism. Yes, I understand what was done was to up the drama factor, but it's also the animated equivalent of over-acting in a series that, despite some of its reaching themes, has tried to stay grounded to reality.

[Elcura]

I see you missed some sarcasm within the criticism. Yes, I understand what was done was to up the drama factor, but it's also the animated equivalent of over-acting in a series that, despite some of its reaching themes, has tried to stay grounded to reality.

Now I think we aren't watching the same show.

[arus2001]

Yup let's disregard an episode that focused largely on the physics of robotics relative to weight and mobility just to say fuck physics to kill someone. Heck do me a favor and stand up, hands to your side with ankles together, lean back as far as you can without falling, then snap forward as far as you can without bending your knees and ankles, then tell me what happens. Those legs aren't heavy enough to keep her from face planting if we're to believe her rising force that launched kai. Could also comment a bit on similarities to her harness to climbing gear relative to back trauma when falling but you seem okay with accepting the unnatural. And fuck phone typing this.

[Elcura]

Yup let's disregard an episode that focused largely on the physics of robotics relative to weight and mobility just to say fuck physics to kill someone.

Now I know we aren't watching the same show. Giant robots, cute AI girl, slo-mo.

REALISM. Either way, that wasn't the point of the episode. Still, you've convinced me of nothing but your lack of imagination.

Heck do me a favor and stand up, hands to your side with ankles together, lean back as far as you can without falling, then snap forward as far as you can without bending your knees and ankles, then tell me what happens. Those legs aren't heavy enough to keep her from face planting if we're to believe her rising force that launched kai.

Hi, my name is robot legs. I dunno about you, but if anything can say fuck off to gravity, it's a robot. Also I think you just totally don't get the concept of robot legs. It's OK, fiction isn't for everyone.

[Mrbeansman]

Your completely ignoring that the stuff your bitching about was likely just a case of a bad transition from the VN to the Anime.