12/12/12 Version Update - .DAT Mining Discussion

[dasva]

btw, if you're bored and don't know what to do with the trail cookies.. each of the Adoulin guys in the other towns like to eat a particular type of food ^_^

Rabao > Mhaura > Norg > Selbina

frontier soda gives regen and regain lol. 20tp when it wears off. like 1 tp per 2 tics? >_>

Something to note they don't always give you something in return. Odds seem different per one I think. The text you get giving it to them is rather amusing too especially the tarus lol. Also they all stack except for the soda.

Rabao- Campfire chocolate- 12/21 trade in - +1 mnd 30 min
Mhaura- Cascade candy - 10/11 trade in - +4mnd/chr 30 min
Norg - Smoked Mackerel - 6/9 trade in - +4 agi -3 vit 30 min
Selbina - Frontier soda - 5/6 trade in - only gave me regain not regen... but yeah .5 tp a tic for 2 minutes for total of 20 tp

Also I didn't look for invisible stats like hmp or store tp or whatever just what I could see on the equipment list

[Xilk]

don't Atma's count as Gear haste, and aren't there 3-4 of them you could wear to already test if pets do or do not break a Gear-Haste cap? I know there's quite a few Haste Atmas out there =x

Hmm, We should test this theory!

I had thought I responded to this yesterday... but I supposed I forgot to finish it. I decided to go ahead and try some more testing on this.
Most pets (and most mobs) have 240 delay.

Discreet Louise has 280
at 25% haste, that would be exactly 3.5 seconds/attack round.
at 40% haste (obtainable w/ gear and atma) it would be 2.8 seconds/attack round.

I only have windower timestamps to show it, but there never any 4 second delays between attacks. I would expect it to alternate between 3 and 4 or to show 4 all the time. However, it was 3 seconds, every time for many attacks. Double attacks would show as being the next second, and the following attack would still be 3 seconds from the first hit of a double attack. I think it was consistent enough. However, if you have good reason to think otherwise, please enlighten me.

[dasva]

Psh you can get ALOT more haste from gear and atma then that to make it more conclusive. If you willing to play around with hp you could get just atma haste up to 35 lol

[dasva]

Oh so to answer my question no you can't "cheat" the repeatible going back thing by just using waypoint warp since it will keep warping you to the out of the way spot instead of the actual spot until you finish. Uleguerand one is actually kinda useful sliding down the moutain lol.

Interestingly this one gave 2k xp.

Also doing attowha one at lvl 9 still got me 1.5k xp

Seems xp/cp isn't just by category as 2 from same category gave different xp and I think reading back someone got same xp from 2 of different category... just kinda depends on which one I guess

[grevenilvec75]

I ported my dual box char and then nexus caped to him for the easy win.

Only works once per day obviously.

[dasva]

I can just see the rmts lvling to 30 with script runs now lol

[Xilk]

Psh you can get ALOT more haste from gear and atma then that to make it more conclusive. If you willing to play around with hp you could get just atma haste up to 35 lol

Then go do it yourself, oh cranial-rectally inverted one.

[macross]

A puppet with a turbo charger can easily get over 30% haste, don't need to do it on a stinking bst.

[Karbuncle]

A puppet with a turbo charger can easily get over 30% haste, don't need to do it on a stinking bst.

Does Turbo Charger count as "gear" Related haste and can we/you prove that it does?

For that matter, Can we assume Pet:Haste gear counts towards a Gear Haste cap for Pets, Or that the Atmas do as well, Or do they not have a cap and its simply a "Haste" Stat and the same restrictions we have do not apply?

I'm not discounting your logic, Only that there are some degree of unknowns(At least unknown to me... Which i Admit I could be lacking here) , to which, It wouldn't be too bad to test it out. If i had the Actual required pet Haste gear (Adaman Feet, etc) To make the test much easier, I'd do it, Saddly I don't. If i had any Earthern Tatters could simply do it on the Test Server though...

[Xilk]

Does Turbo Charger count as "gear" Related haste and can we/you prove that it does?

For that matter, Can we assume Pet:Haste gear counts towards a Gear Haste cap for Pets, Or that the Atmas do as well, Or do they not have a cap and its simply a "Haste" Stat and the same restrictions we have do not apply?

I'm not discounting your logic, Only that there are some degree of unknowns(At least unknown to me... Which i Admit I could be lacking here) , to which, It wouldn't be too bad to test it out. If i had the Actual required pet Haste gear (Adaman Feet, etc) To make the test much easier, I'd do it, Saddly I don't. If i had any Earthern Tatters could simply do it on the Test Server though...

... yeah, this would be exactly why I tested on my "Stinking Bst" instead of my pup or smn.

I think the gear/ja/magical haste were all constructed for players, and no equivalent was made for pets. just like gear pdt cap on players.

I'm rather surprised that honest testing to answer a question for others is met with derision and insult. (not Karbuncle obvously)

[Chamaan]

Well... we do know that the Charger isn't JA haste at the least. It lowers spell recast timers (automaton spells still each have their own individual recast timers, but because of global cast rate you only notice it on Tier IV-V nukes). Not that it sheds any light on the testing in question but eh. themoreyouknow.gif

[dasva]

Unfortunately there is so little pet hastes and it's so difficult to do things with them to test what type of haste it is and if that type has a cap or if there are any caps at all on pet attack speed. Would be amusing if there was none and all of a sudden one day we find out we can have 100% haste pets lol

[Chamaan]

Well like, Pup COULD test 100%+ total haste.

35% from Atma (Cobra Commander/Omnipotent/Ascending One)
+
19% from gear (6% Murzim hat, 4% Pantin Dast+2, 4% Omodaka Pants, 5% Moepapa Stone)
+
30% Turbo Charger
+
~25% Overdrive

That's around 109% haste for melee swings. I mean if you just want to flat out test if there is a total limit to pet haste, that'd be how you do it.

[dasva]

Wow fogot just how much more awesomely awesome things pup can do to it's auto.... bst use 2hr and pretty much nothing happens except more hp and a little haste if you augmented af2... pup yay automatic 25% haste and super fun times with commands.

Hmmm wish I actually had pup stuff or I'd try that

[dasva]

Anyways decided to test out on bst. Use the frog since it doesn't DA/TA and I'm manually parsing. Seems to have ~ 200 base delay (29 attack phases in 98 seconds).

Went in with 57% haste (moepapa, mke hat, 2% on adaman feet, and familiar +af2+2 legs and the 35 from atmas), got 45 attack rounds in 97 seconds which comes out to ~ 130 delay or 35ish haste.... not exactly the most conclusive but looks like either gear haste cap is 35 or it's 25 and familiar + af2+2 augments counts as magical or ja haste

Edit: went back same thing but no familiar so 47% haste, 25 attack rounds in 63 seconds which is about 150ish delay which is about 25% haste. So yeah looks like 25% haste gear cap pants count as non gear

[Slycer]

Not gonna go back in the thread to see if it was discussed, but in case anyone was trying to decide whether to keep or toss them, Trail Cookies give hMP+5. Maybe other hidden crap like Ginger Cookies (resist slow/plantoid killer), but I'm guessing they're not worth wasting an inventory slot on. Lasts longer than Ginger, though, been over 5 min and it's still on.

Edit: Duration is 10 mins.

[grevenilvec75]

Not gonna go back in the thread to see if it was discussed, but in case anyone was trying to decide whether to keep or toss them, Trail Cookies give hMP+5. Maybe other hidden crap like Ginger Cookies (resist slow/plantoid killer), but I'm guessing they're not worth wasting an inventory slot on. Lasts longer than Ginger, though, been over 5 min and it's still on.

Edit: Duration is 10 mins.

Do you have double food duration signet bonus?

[Byrthnoth]

I did the final quest today ( Beam Me Up... No, Not There! ) and received only 1500 LP / 12 Cookies / 800 CP. Things of note:
1) It took me a while because I got lost
2) I zoned into Boneyard Gully at one point

Something must be giving a penalty?

[Azat]

Not gonna go back in the thread to see if it was discussed, but in case anyone was trying to decide whether to keep or toss them, Trail Cookies give hMP+5. Maybe other hidden crap like Ginger Cookies (resist slow/plantoid killer), but I'm guessing they're not worth wasting an inventory slot on. Lasts longer than Ginger, though, been over 5 min and it's still on.

Edit: Duration is 10 mins.

Just to note, the cookies are used in a trade sequence with the npcs in Rabao, Mhaura, Norg and Selbina to obtain the new TP drink Frontier Soda. 1 long tick regain caps at 20 tp.

[Slycer]

Do you have double food duration signet bonus?

Nope, had Sanction on with Refresh bonus.