Salvage II - Slavage Harder

[Eldelphia]

Thanks for the prompt answer. I have the wins but a couple of friends were wondering.

[Eurell]

Did BR2.

F1: West Path
First Room, Wamouracampa, surprisingly strong for a F1 monster, lots of HP, 80 damage a hit.
Unlocked Ear/Ring, Head/Neck, and Back/Waist.

Further in there was another Wamouracampa, plus Wamouras in the Mad Bomber Rooms.
Wamouras unlocked Leg/Foot, Body, Hand.

Further in, Moblin Poniardman in the rooms usually with trolls and bifrons. 2 Total, unlock weapon, leg/feet, ranged.

Killing both spawns Silent Smotherer Silak that drops Tutelary Plans.

Center Room before warp: Dahak, unlocks HP/MP

Floor 2: Lamp has lots of charges (like 80+)
Trolls in the hallways of the central ring
SE: THF, DEX SJ JA
NE: RDM, SJ Magic MND
NW: PLD, VIT SJ Magic
SW: RNG, JA AGI (probably ranged too but everyone had that unlocked at this point)

Went west path. Troll Engraver MNK, another one up north this path. Unlocks JA and CHR.

Final Room before warp, Troll Guardian PLD NM, drops Ritualistic plans.

Floor 3 NW: First room, 2x gear, second room, 3x gear. Center-North is 6x gear, killing all didn't pop anything.

Middle room: 2x gear.

West: 3x Gear in first room, 3x gear in Westernmost room before warp. Killing gears spawns Rampart which Reinforcements for many Tri-gears (Like 7 or 8). Killing all tri-gears didn't pop anything more.

Alex drop rate on single gears is awful, trigears seem to drop 1 pretty often.

Floor 4 West:
First room where teleporting gears normally spawn: 2x Trigears.
Center room of west: Long Bowed Chariot. Did use homing missile to put everyone at low HP.
North: Acrolith in first room, Acrolith in second room. Killing both spawned a stronger Acrolith that drops Tutelary plans.

Floor 5:
Rampart that disappears after spawning Cerberus. Didn't get a Linen, the bastard. Got Idi's Mask.

He seems to get a lot sturdier at lower HP. Magma Hoplon is gay.

We took all the east paths but it looks like we killed the same shit along the way. Only differences I can see are

- Flies instead of wamoura on the East path of F1, equally as shitty though.

- Exactly 70 charges on the lamp on the 2nd and then again on the 3rd floor. Don't know after that as we were all 100% unlocked

- Stay East or North East every time we went up, ran into a rampart that popped Cerberus on 4F.

- You do Not need to kill the NQ boss to pop the HQ on the 5th floor. We went up before Cerberus died because we were low on time and wanted to get to the end, HQ cerb was still popped on 5F.

- Our plans dropped were reversed from yours. Ritualistic from the goblin and acroliths. Tutelary from the troll.

[Kincard]

Sounds like you can plan a path to purely farm Tutelary or Ritualistic in BR2. Where did the F4 Cerb spawn, and do you know what the situation was that caused it to spawn? Is there any particular way you killed the monsters?

How many people did you go with, btw?

[Eurell]

Cerb popped at the last room before the teleporter on F4. No idea what could have caused it to spawn as we killed essentially the same things as you, just on the east side. Didn't do anything special when we killed anything. Went with 4.

[Aja]

ZR again.

On Floor 3 the Poroggo that pops used Manafont, didn't remember it using that the night before.
On Floor 5 in the south room the rampart popped Archaic Gears > Mamool Ja Antiquary (WHM, used Benediction. Checked ITG. Dropped 2 Umbrage Plans.) > Archaic Gear > Archaic Gears > Archaic Gear > Archaic Gears. Didn't seem to be popping more NMs at that point.

Killed regular Hydra on last floor as we weren't sure how much time we had left. Dropped Neit's Cuffs 45 and no linen again.

[NynJa]

We pulled the first dartist fine, but then the THF managed to link/agro almost everything in the room. Killed the other dartist and and the NM didn't pop, so we killed all the agro, went back in and there was still no NM. Killed the last one (SMN I think it was) in the room and the NM popped when it died.

Sounds like Spoliator's PH changes on certain conditions (or could just be random)

[Magitek]

What did you kill on the way up? Still trying to pinpoint what causes NQ Dvergr to pop on 4f.

I was messing around in SSR2 just now and I popped and killed all but 3 ramparts (including the rampart in big room before teleporter), Doom Toad NM + Qiqirn NM on 1st floor. I pretty much skipped the rest of the other floors, but I spawned the Flayer NM accidentally running to porter on floor 3. Ran by all the ramparts on floor 4 and aggroed last one before stairway to floor 5, it spawned NQ Dvergr. Needless to say, I didn't have many pathos unlocked (just the ones available on first floor) so I just fled to porter to see if HQ boss would be up on floor 5 and it was. I took west path floor 1, North East port floor 2, East port floor 3 and the only path allowed in floor 4.

[ccl]

Sounds like you can plan a path to purely farm Tutelary or Ritualistic in BR2. Where did the F4 Cerb spawn, and do you know what the situation was that caused it to spawn? Is there any particular way you killed the monsters?

How many people did you go with, btw?

Cerb pop from the rampart in the last room before teleport, you need to kill the 3 triple gears for the rampart to pop.
We timed out trio (drk thf whm) due to cerb/orth PDT/magma spam, if you have a job that can ignore PDT (mura sam, formless strike, twilight scythe maybe?) I can see this zone being an easy trio, we popped 1-2 NM on each floor beside 3rd.

[NynJa]

I was messing around in SSR2 just now and I popped and killed all but 3 ramparts (including the rampart in big room before teleporter), Doom Toad NM + Qiqirn NM on 1st floor. I pretty much skipped the rest of the other floors, but I spawned the Flayer NM accidentally running to porter on floor 3. Ran by all the ramparts on floor 4 and aggroed last one before stairway to floor 5, it spawned NQ Dvergr. Needless to say, I didn't have many pathos unlocked (just the ones available on first floor) so I just fled to porter to see if HQ boss would be up on floor 5 and it was. I took west path floor 1, North East port floor 2, East port floor 3 and the only path allowed in floor 4.

If you killed all the ramparts on the way to Doomed NM (should be 11 if I'm reading the dats right), + 4 in the room for the QQ PH +1 for the QQ NM, and +1 in the big room, and didnt kill any other ramparts, that seems like 17 ramparts killed.

When you fled through 4f, did you sneak or aggro everything?

[Slycer]

Its on BG wiki, western path of f1, G-8 and G-9 kill the 2 ramparts plus imps they spawn, it then pops in room at G-9.

Oh nvm, didn't realize that was the name of the doomed NM.

[Kincard]

Cerb pop from the rampart in the last room before teleport, you need to kill the 3 triple gears for the rampart to pop.

Our group only had 2 tri-gears pop on F4 so that would mean something affects the number of gears that spawns on that floor.

[Darkmagi]

Clarifying that BR is an easy trio as long as you have something that ignores PDT. Not sure how easy healing would be on some jobs though, the HQ cerb 2shotted me at once point(960 crit, 600~ melee hit) and we had to restart. Formless strikes 5/5 made both cerbs die very fast though.

[NynJa]

http://www.filehosting.org/file/deta.../SalvageII.zip

Ignore the lame file hosting, needed something quick. Numbered everything, so it should be easier to track stuff.

I think I got a couple of the Arra NM's labeled already.
SS I just numbered ramparts, from 1-117 (or whatever it is). I should probably label which ramparts pop NM's (though its kinda obvious when you see em)
Bhaf/Zhay I just numbered mobs I think.

[Slycer]

Compiled boss drops so far:

Dvergr (NQ): Namru's Tiara, Ate's Sollerets, Genta Gote, Namru's Dastanas, Neit's Crown
Dvergr (HQ): Idi's Trousers, Genta Kabuto, Genta Sune-Ate, Genta Hara-Ate, Ate's Sollerets, Neit's Crown, Idi's Gloves, Namru's Shalwar

Cerberus (NQ): Neit's Cuffs, Neit's Coat, Ate's Mask, Namu's Crackows, Neit's Crown, Idi's Mask
Cerberus (HQ): Idi's Jerkin, Neit's Coat

Hydra (NQ): Genta Kabuto, Namru's Crackows, Ate's Gauntlets, Neit's Cuffs
Hydra (HQ): Neit's Cuffs, Genta Kabuto, Namru's Crackows, Idi's Trousers

Khimaira (NQ): Genta-No-Hakama, Namru's Tiara, Genta Gote, Idi's Mask
Khimaira (HQ): Genta Gote, Namru's Tiara, Idi's Mask, Idi's Gloves, Neit's Slops

From the amount of repeats I saw as I went through the info and the consistency between NQ and HQ boss pools, it's clear that not every boss drops every 45. I also noticed that the 45 bodies were only noted as drops from HQ bosses (this will need verification obviously as it's not based on a huge pool of data).

That said, I don't see any obvious pattern. There was a clear pattern with the old Salvage drops, and they were exclusive to each boss. It seems that there's at least two different types of bosses that drop each item here, at least for non-body items (e.g. Idi's Trousers off Dvergr and Hydra). Anyone see a pattern?

[Riiaider]

Just to add to the boss drops our group got

Namru's dastanas, Neit's crown off NQ Dvergr
Idi's gloves, Namru's shalwar, Linen off HQ Dvergr

for NQ we went up on the CC side and only aggroed killed the patrolling ramp in the CC room. Rampart was up when we reached the end we avoided everything else on the floor. Other then that nothing that hasn't already been reported.

[Darkmagi]

I got a Neit's coat off of NQ cerberus yesterday, so NQs can drop bodies.

[Byrthnoth]

I'm keeping the drops updated on bgwiki, if you guys want to add them as you find them. Registration is pretty quick/easy. I've been doing it like this:
1) Someone reports a new drop
2) I go to the page of the monster that drops it and add it
3) I go to another armor that the monster drops and copy the subtable like:

{{Item Monster
|Monster Name=Cerberus
|Zone=Bhaflau Remnants
|position=Floor 4 or 5
|Notes=Spawned during [[Bhaflau Remnants II]].
}}

3) Go to the new drop, paste it in.

Done!

[Slycer]

SSR: Primacy, Tutelary
Arra: Bloodshed, Umbrage
Bhaf: Tutelary, Ritualistic
Zhay: Bloodshed, Umbrage

Even distribution wru?

[JetEnduro]

Did SSR2 yesterday.

1F: Fully cleared
2F: Went west, killed the hall ramparts. Linked everything in SW room so just skipped after unweakening.
3F: Skipped
4F: Skipped, popped NQ chair which killed us with doom > nuke spam.
Timed out :\

[NynJa]

Did SSR2 yesterday.

1F: Fully cleared
2F: Went west, killed the hall ramparts. Linked everything in SW room so just skipped after unweakening.
3F: Skipped
4F: Skipped, popped NQ chair which killed us with doom > nuke spam.
Timed out :\

That rules out the 3 chariot rampart for 4f NQ Dvergr, and rampart kills seems more likely.