Salvage II - Slavage Harder

[Byrthnoth]

There's a gear NM in the porter room of Arrapago on floor 3.

Hmm... nevermind. I see it on there.

Edit:
Looks like there can be 2 Acroliths on floor 3 potentially.

[Renzy]

If people are willing to upload their logger files for Bhaflau Remnants, it would be greatly appreciated.

http://pastebin.com/25HHZbpd
Logger file of today's Bhaflau.
Setup: DRK, WAR, WHM, BRD(2boxed)

1F - Took the West path, killed 1 Wamouracampa, 1 Wamoura, 2 Goblins, Goblin NM, Dahak, Dahak NM.
2F - Killed all of the centre Trolls, then proceeded to kill every troll including the PLD Troll NM on the way to the NW teleporter.
3F - We cleared all of the Gears on the way to and in the middle room, we then proceeded west and killed all of the gears in the West room. A Rampart spawned after the West room was cleared, we killed that and noticed that the body never despawned. Triple Gears popped after the Rampart died, we killed them and went up to the next floor.
4F - We killed everything on the way to the middle room (including LBC), We got the Rampart for NQ Cerb.

[NynJa]

Doing Arrapago, went up SE on 1f, killed SE rampart on 5f, killed 4 middle chariots on 6f (killed one in the way, then another moved infront of rampart, then the next moved infront, then armored aggroed...sigh), but I wound up with chariot.

So its not "kill the 5f rampart of the path you went up on 1f"

I deaggroed the rampart and gonna kill off the rest of the chariots, and see if it'll do reinforcements again, which it didnt.

I think its a low chance of NQ, and doing certain things increases the chance.


BUT, for what its worth, I started clearing halfway of NW wing then switch to SE when chigoe wasnt there.


btw, khims fulm is 20+ here

[Lyltia]

2 runs of Bhaflau Remnants II: http://pastebin.com/FiiSbtJR

[Darkmagi]

http://pastebin.com/25HHZbpd
Logger file of today's Bhaflau.
Setup: DRK, WAR, WHM, BRD(2boxed)

1F - Took the West path, killed 1 Wamouracampa, 1 Wamoura, 2 Goblins, Goblin NM, Dahak, Dahak NM.
2F - Killed all of the centre Trolls, then proceeded to kill every troll including the PLD Troll NM on the way to the NW teleporter.
3F - We cleared all of the Gears on the way to and in the middle room, we then proceeded west and killed all of the gears in the West room. A Rampart spawned after the West room was cleared, we killed that and noticed that the body never despawned. Triple Gears popped after the Rampart died, we killed them and went up to the next floor.
4F - We killed everything on the way to the middle room (including LBC), We got the Rampart for NQ Cerb.

Same thing as this for all of my runs, last run popped the gear nm (I believe it pops based on simultaneous kills).

[Martel]

Random Zhay question - on 3F, there are two rooms with a single rampart to the west and east. Each of these can pop a NM using Reinforcements (may take a couple pops before it spawns). Can you spawn the NM at BOTH of these ramparts in one run? I'm leaning towards no as that would push the Zhayolm accessible NM total to 7 while the others all only have 6, but I don't know for sure. I know for sure that you can at least access both of these ramparts on one run since the restrictive doors are well beyond their positions.

I tried this, and unless I was just really unlucky, I don't think you can get NMs from both Ramparts. I did the NM/ramp to the east, then doubled back and tried the west ramp. I think I let it pop 6 or 7 pugils before I decided to just kill it.

Depending on what lock the opposite rampart, It might still be possible. If killing one ramp lock the other, you could pop NM and kill it. Then sleep/deaggro the ramp and run to the opposite rampart.

But really, I think the most likely mechanic, would be that popping one NM locks the other rampart.

[Lyltia]

Bhaflau Remnants II 4F Acroliths (not NM) can drop cotton pouches; not sure if that's been said.

[Magitek]

If someone could edit BG Wiki, on second floor SSR, the east room has DRK fomors (cast absorbs spells) which remove Max MP/STR and the RDM ones remove Max MP/CHR

[Kincard]

Doubt it was needed, but reconfirming that Bhaflau does not require you to go the same way every time to spawn the rampart. We did EWEE today and managed to pop NQ Cerb. We were not able to pop the F4 gear NM.

[NynJa]

Arra II
Friend of mine cleared all 6f chariots, and still got chariot from rampart...so its not "full clear 6f" either

[Byrthnoth]

Similarly, I've had friends report that full NM clears (6) did not cause the NQ Khim to pop.

[Slycer]

Doing SSR right now. Went around middle loop of 2F completely, killed all ramps and Ashu, no NM ramp (for Windwalker). Any ideas?

Edit: Rooms DO NOT need to be cleared to pop LAC. Rampart for LAC was up after killing the gears in just one corner of the east room. Might be one random rampart or one random gear or whatever, but it's certainly not clearing the room.

Edit 2: Dvergr rampart was up after doing the following:

Floor 1: 5 ramparts (doomed/qq), 2 ramparts (imp), 1 ramp (doomed NM), 4 ramparts (big room), 1 ramp (QQ NM)
Floor 2: 8 ramparts (center ashu), 1 rampart (east ashu), 1 rampart (east NM) --> no center NM ramp, why?
Floor 3: 1 rampart (orobon NM), 2 ramparts (gears), 1 rampart (LAC)
Floor 4: Not a single mob, ran straight to Dvergr rampart.

Tons of ramps, obviously more than 16, if someone is thinking that's what makes it pop.

[NynJa]

Tons of ramps, obviously more than 16, if someone is thinking that's what makes it pop.

that was me, so far theres been nothing to debunk my theory, right?

[Magitek]

I've been changing up my kill pattern (skipping some unnecessary ramparts like the one in the large central room before porter) trying to see if I can get the NQ Dvergr NOT to spawn, but it's been up every time in 5 runs. I follow the same path every time, however. Skipped Flayer and Fomor ones also once, still got NQ/HQ boss. I've been killing about 10~15 ramparts every time though so idk

[Helel]

ZRII 5th floor south path -> The Discoid chariot is not up until you kill the archaic chariot roaming around the middle of the big room.

6th floor, we attacked hydra rampart after clearing everything except the other two ramparts in the corners. We brought it to 36% and it still hadn't summoned hydra. I slept it, we went over and killed the remaining two ramparts + two gear reinforcements, reengaged the hydra rampart and it used reinforcements summoning hydra. Unfortunately he used pyric bulwark pretty much nonstop so we didn't have time to kill it. It was our first attempt at that zone so I'm sure things will go faster next time. Kind of a crappy zone to go BLU on because we only got one magic from the beginning lamp. No magic unlocks until third floor =/.

[Slycer]

ZRII 5th floor south path -> The Discoid chariot is not up until you kill the archaic chariot roaming around the middle of the big room.

6th floor, we attacked hydra rampart after clearing everything except the other two ramparts in the corners. We brought it to 36% and it still hadn't summoned hydra. I slept it, we went over and killed the remaining two ramparts + two gear reinforcements, reengaged the hydra rampart and it used reinforcements summoning hydra.

Between this and the other account earlier in the thread I would say that this pretty much confirms that the spawn condition for Hydra is either clearing the whole center room (not the Acroliths on the side rooms), or killing the two south ramparts and reinforcements. That's one of the four zones (nearly) figured out, at least.

Also just want to highlight my question again above because the previous spawn condition was incorrect for F2 SSR - the NM in the center did not spawn even after killing all 8 central Ramparts and all 24 of the Ashu reinforcements. Anyone have any insight as to what they did that made that NM spawn (Fomor Windwalker)?

[Cairthenn]

For Bhaflau, I'm pretty positive the rampart spawning on 4F has to do with killing the gears quickly. It was the only major difference between last run and this run that people haven't already reported to be irrelevant.

[Slycer]

Also, random Wiki-related request - if anyone has any nice screenshots of enemies in the areas or of the new bosses, can you bucket them and post them on here? We need some new images for the 99 Salvage general page and the individual Remnants area pages, as well as for the bosses themselves.

[R3G1STRY]

SSR II - again, did not kill LAC or anything on 3rd floor but still got NQ Dvergr on 4th floor (dropped Usu 45 body) and HQ on 5th floor (dropped Skadi 45 hands). We went East every time and killed most NMs (other than LAC) on each floor.

NQ Dvergr was the only thing we killed on the 4th floor (along with its rampart, of course).

Regarding Windwalker... it definitely popped right as we killed the last rampart in that loop.

About to do it again in a minute, I'll see if I can remember to grab some screenshots.

[Rehn]

Arra II
Friend of mine cleared all 6f chariots, and still got chariot from rampart...so its not "full clear 6f" either

I killed the chariots in the side room + armored chariot, leaving rampart for last. It popped khim for me tonight.