Salvage II - Slavage Harder

**NynJa** · 2012-12-17 02:01

Originally Posted by Rehn

I killed the chariots in the side room + armored chariot, leaving rampart for last. It popped khim for me tonight.

Except it only takes 1 false result to disprove 100% success rate. Unless he messed up somehow, but its very unlikely since I asked him "all the chariots? Even the ones in the corner rooms? Both corner rooms? 2+2+4 chariots?"

**R3G1STRY** · 2012-12-17 02:13

Okay, this time in SSR II we didn't kill all of the ramparts in the circle thingy on floor 2 before the wall popped for Windwalker.

**detlef** · 2012-12-17 02:14

What did you clear on 1f? Did you clear all ramparts?

**R3G1STRY** · 2012-12-17 02:16

All but the one right before the porter.

Edit: Just find it weird because I watched it spawn with my mule as we killed the last rampart in the circle earlier today.

**detlef** · 2012-12-17 02:34

We haven't been able to spawn the 2f central NM. On 1f we would go west and not kill the ramparts at F-7/G-7 and F-8. So perhaps those are the necessary kills to spawn 2f central area.

**R3G1STRY** · 2012-12-17 02:52

In SSR?

Also just got Dvergr on 4th floor again. No LAC, went EWEE. I totally forgot to screenshot it, but got a few other NMs on the way up >_>.

About to do Bloodthirsty Dvergr.

Edit: I kept forgetting to screenshot things... so I uploaded the best I got here. >_>;

**Helel** · 2012-12-17 03:05

Originally Posted by NynJa

Except it only takes 1 false result to disprove 100% success rate. Unless he messed up somehow, but its very unlikely since I asked him "all the chariots? Even the ones in the corner rooms? Both corner rooms? 2+2+4 chariots?"

I'm wondering if the order matters. We've only done ARII twice, but we always killed the NM chariot last, and then attacked the rampart. It spawned khim both times.

**NynJa** · 2012-12-17 03:17

Originally Posted by Helel

I'm wondering if the order matters. We've only done ARII twice, but we always killed the NM chariot last, and then attacked the rampart. It spawned khim both times.

[11:34:21]Nynja defeats the Archaic Chariot2.
[11:35:37]Fireciont defeats the Archaic Chariot3
[11:36:59]Nynja defeats the Archaic Chariot1.
[11:38:19]Fireciont defeats the Archaic Chariot5
[11:39:14]Fireciont defeats the Archaic Chariot4
[11:40:51]Nynja defeats the Archaic Chariot6.
[11:41:54]Fireciont defeats the Archaic Chariot7
[11:44:58]Fireciont defeats the Armored Chariot.
Khim spawns from rampart

its possible, someone else would have to possibly debunk it.

I'd also like to throw out the possibility that NQ boss can spawn WITHOUT completing the pre-requisites, just at a lower chance. So just because someone did X and NQ spawned when someone else did Y and also got NQ, doesnt mean X is the pre-req. Eliminate situations that caused a failed spawn instead of focusing in situations that caused the NQ to spawn. For certain areas, its easier since your actions will cause the rampart to spawn (I believe bhaf and zhay operate like this), but for Arra once the Rampart spawns reinforcements, its done, you cant go back (before anyone asks, I posted it, I deaggroed the rampart, cleared the remaining chariots and it refused to do reinforcements again).

**Arthars** · 2012-12-17 04:21

yup, seeing bosses coming from RAMPARTS made me have to reluctantly believe that there is an element of luck in this...........

good old BF1 days... oh skirmish bee..........

at least they show more often tho ; ; ; ;

**NynJa** · 2012-12-17 04:32

I dont think its sheer luck, I dont want to believe SE would flat out deny the possibility of fighting the boss (considering their importance) based on luck.

**Kincard** · 2012-12-17 04:38

It'd actually be less unreasonable than the dumb BR1 Rampart shit because the NQ bosses drop all the same stuff as far as I can tell.

**Brehn** · 2012-12-17 06:21

ARII Again again!

Normal acrolith (not the NM) on on 4th floor dropped a purse. Spoilator popped after killing the fatedealers (entered lights day, fought on darksday).

Killed all the single gears on the 5th floor and the NE ramp. Killed all the chariots then armored on 6th floor. Rampart popped NQ Khim.

**Slycer** · 2012-12-17 08:23

I've had Khim pop twice without killing Armored last but still clearing the floor. I strongly believe that it's not random, pop rate is way high when you kill a lot of stuff, and we've all but proven that Hydra isn't random so I find it hard to believe that the others would be.

**macross** · 2012-12-17 12:30

Did all east again, NE floor2
floor 3 ran by and didn't kill any gears at all cept the three to spawn the rampart, killed and went up, was around 65 minutes.
floor 4 NM gear didn't pop this time, didn't kill them same time nor did i kill em same time before. First time it didn't spawn for me.
Killed last 3 triples fast as I could, got NQ + HQ, got 2x adil feets, 1 linen off hq, won with 1 minute left egads
9 alex, 1 cotton, 1 linen, 6 ritual, 2 tutelary.
Went brd whm drk, elegy lands on everything, slow landed eventually on hq, landed easy on nq.

5 runs now i've gotten 25 ritual, 4 primal, 5 tutelary.

**NynJa** · 2012-12-17 12:33

Has anyone gotten spoilator to spawn in AR2 off the smn or blm lamia? all accounts seem to be off the rng or cor.

**Taint** · 2012-12-17 13:22

4th floor BR killed the pair of gears (singles) at the same time and no NM pop.

Edited: Thanks Slycer, was the 4th floor that didn't pop.

Eastern Path
Second room: Archaic Gear x2 Defeating both Archaic Gear at the same time will spawn Archaic Gear (NM).

**Slycer** · 2012-12-17 13:31

There are no NMs on the 3rd floor of Bhaflau (no known ones, at least). The first pair on 4F is the one that spawns the NM.

**Cairthenn** · 2012-12-17 14:45

I imagine there are additional conditions, perhaps related to F3 or the number of NMs killed, then. Or it could be that you took a bit too long: the timing for them is more similar to the Meebles objective than the old Salvage simultaneous kills - it's a very short window.

**Kazo** · 2012-12-17 15:13

Did AR three times so far and have never gotten NQ to pop on floor 6. My group hasn't killed the chariots in the side rooms or the Armored Chariot on all three runs. I think we will try to clear the whole floor next run before engaging the rampart.

**Taint** · 2012-12-17 16:09

Originally Posted by Cairthenn

I imagine there are additional conditions, perhaps related to F3 or the number of NMs killed, then. Or it could be that you took a bit too long: the timing for them is more similar to the Meebles objective than the old Salvage simultaneous kills - it's a very short window.

Gonna assume timing then, but it couldn't have been more the a hard 1 count. (definitely seemed within meebles tolerence)

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