Salvage II - Slavage Harder

[Helel]

Did AR three times so far and have never gotten NQ to pop on floor 6. My group hasn't killed the chariots in the side rooms or the Armored Chariot on all three runs. I think we will try to clear the whole floor next run before engaging the rampart.

Seems pretty conclusive that chariot-clearing greatly increases the chance of khim then, and the order could guarantee a pop. Has anyone killed The Armored Chariot last and not gotten khim to pop?

[Xilk]

Deaggroing the ramparts if they don't pop the mob you want actually does work in the old zones (sort of). I've accidentally attacked the CC rampart before before it spawned the turtle. It will not summon reinforcements if you attack it first. But, if you deaggro it, it will return to its spawn point and summon the turtle along the way. It might be worth trying at least.

rampart will still call CC if you attack it first.
just takes longer, and its not hard to kill it first.

[Protey]

Edit: Rooms DO NOT need to be cleared to pop LAC. Rampart for LAC was up after killing the gears in just one corner of the east room. Might be one random rampart or one random gear or whatever, but it's certainly not clearing the room.

Noticed this too after killing the 2nd Archaic Gears. It is one of the four Archaic Gears (not the single Archaic Gear) that is the trigger to make LAC rampart pop. Updating wiki.

[Ustav]

Ok so my group has been doing AR2 for four days and we've been able to pop NQ Khimmy every single time but today.We usually kill just two archaic Chariots and Amored chariots then go after the Rampart and would proceed to spawn NQ.

The only thing we didn't do today that we have done every other AR2 was that we killed a stationary rampart + the 8 gears reinforcements from the 5th floor. This was pretty much the only difference between our previous runs ;;.

[Jem]

Has anyone gotten spoilator to spawn in AR2 off the smn or blm lamia? all accounts seem to be off the rng or cor.

Proposing Fatedealer PH on Darkness related entry days and Dartist on Light related entry days. It's true for the very small sample size I have (4)


We've had Khim pop both with and without clearing the siderooms. The first time we popped it, we only killed 2 NQ Chariots + Armored Chariot. Could have just been good luck though (We full cleared all lower floor NM's + all Gears apart from the 5F Rampart room)

[Slycer]

Has anyone popped Spoliator after killing just the Fatedealers OR just the Dartists? (i.e. after killing just two mobs)? It could just be that you have to kill all four of those mobs (Dartists and Fatedealers). This would pose a nice parallel to the JP Wiki suggestion that killing the four DRK Qutrubs on the other side (there are 4 DRK and 4 BLM) pops the Qutrub NM.

[SargentRemora]

Bhaflau - F4 Gears don't need to be killed at exactly the same time to pop the NM. We killed them within a couple of seconds of each other and the NM popped. Also, a friend did BR and said when he killed them at exactly the same time, the NM did not pop.

[R3G1STRY]

SSR II again:

did not get Windwalker or his wall after skipping the walls that pop rats/apkallus on the first floor, that's likely his spawn condition. We did still kill Apkallu Avenger.

Quickdirk still popped after we killed the wall right in front of his.

[Lyltia]

Few Bhaflau Remnants II observations:

- Went east on 1F, killed both flies/flans/moblins, but moblin NM did not pop; first time we've seen this happen. Going to look over the logs in a moment to confirm, but I know we took longer than usual to kill the moblins...

Today...
[18:47:32]Lyltia starts casting Dia II on the Moblin Armsman.
[18:49:37]Nightsage defeats the Moblin Armsman.
[18:49:58]Lyltia starts casting Dia II on the Moblin Armsman.
[18:53:28]Nightsage defeats the Moblin Armsman.

I ran ahead and pulled the 2nd while he was finishing the 1st; I'd bet anything the delay prevented NM from popping. Looks like 5 minute window from first claim to second kill? Going to go back and check successful pops...

Yesterday....
[00:54:04]Lyltia scores a critical hit!
[00:56:16]Nightsage defeats the Moblin Armsman.
[00:56:48]Lyltia scores a critical hit!
[00:58:08]Lyltia defeats the Moblin Armsman.

Day before...
[14:10:07]Lyltia starts casting Haste on Nightsage.
[14:11:39]Vermail defeats the Moblin Armsman.
[14:12:20]Lyltia starts casting Dia II on the Moblin Armsman.
[14:14:11]Nightsage defeats the Moblin Armsman.

And the day before that...
[03:34:04]Lyltia hits the Moblin Armsman for 63 points of damage.
[03:35:42]Vermail defeats the Moblin Armsman.
[03:36:17]Lyltia scores a critical hit!
[03:37:33]Lyltia defeats the Moblin Armsman.

Seems to fit; going to test it tomorrow.

-4th run in a row where we killed the 4F gears at the same time and no pop. Read earlier post here that stated you need to kill them very close together, so we killed them near-simultaneously this time (DRK held TP and WS'd one to death while i Holy II'd the other to death from 1%); no dice.

-Also 4th run in a row where we killed the final 3 4F gears at the same time and NQ Cerberus popped.

-4th run where we did not see 4F gear NM, but did see NQ Cerberus.

[Riiaider]

BR II:

Noticed something odd about the 4f gear NM. It didnt pop for us today but someone else in group suggested it maybe related.
We've done it 4x and this is the only time it hasn't popped for us, might be glitch or something else but wanted to rule it out.
Can others doing it check logs and see if theres any relation to who is killing the two gears vs the NM popping.

For us today two different people killed each gear and the NM did not spawn. Looking back through my logs the other three times it did spawn the same person killed both gears. All 4 kills of the pair of gears have been within 3 or 4 seconds of each other(according to logger) so time doesnt seem to be an issue or it maybe.

[NynJa]

Proposing Fatedealer PH on Darkness related entry days and Dartist on Light related entry days. It's true for the very small sample size I have (4)

Entered on Earthsday, popped off the Dartist.

killed all the archaic chariots then the armored and I got khim on 6f.


also, Fulmination is fucking lame.

[macross]

BR2

4th floor gear didnt pop for me, Only I killed it. Other 3 times it popped though, didnt do anything special like kill them at same time.
never had f1 gobo not pop, i've taken alot longer than 5 minutes inbetween kills. Heck it takes me 25-30 min to clear floor 1. I've killed gobo1, then ran back to kill a puddin then killed 2nd gobo, it's always popped every time for me 5/5.

Maybe shit is just glitching and not spawning when they should be?

[Lyltia]

Beginning to think the whole fucking event is random lol

[Slycer]

Doing Bhaf now, I think you may be onto something with the kill speed on Moblins (~7 min between, no pops). Other factors too, I guess. Or maybe just random.

Kill order was Fly -> Pudding -> Gob 1 -> Gob 2 -> no NM, went back to kill other fly, still no NM.

[Slycer]

I'm sure others have noticed, but when you kill the rampart(s) on F3 (the ones that pop after you clear the gears in the center of the large east or west rooms), the corpses remain. Maybe some part of pop condition for NQ boss on F4?

[SargentRemora]

SSR: LAC popped prior to killing all triple gears (killed 3/4). Can confirm Dvergr on F4 without killing any gears, HQ only dropped one 45 piece.

[Darkmagi]

6/6 on NQ cerb pop for BR going west and north west. Killing everything normally, sometimes skipping gears. Have popped everything on the way besides not popping gear on our first run.

[NynJa]

Zhayolm 2f Gear NM

Each room also contains two Mamool (BLU and THF). Clearing the room and opening the exit door will spawn an Archaic Gear NM. You cannot enter any other wing, as the doors to them are locked.

I did this today, and it didnt spawn, we cleared the mamools, then opened the door, then cleared everything else...but nothing spawned. So you have to clear the room before opening the door, and there are no do-overs on this one.

[R3G1STRY]

SSR: LAC popped prior to killing all triple gears (killed 3/4). Can confirm Dvergr on F4 without killing any gears, HQ only dropped one 45 piece.

We got the LAC chariot after the first gears on our run today.

Also done ~4 SSR IIs and haven't not got Dvergr on F4.

[Aja]

We did 2 AR runs tonight. Didn't get NQ Khim on either. First run we didn't kill any chariots on the next to last floor, just went straight for the Rampart. Second run we killed the chariots that were up first, then engaged the Rampart, only popped a Chariot. I pulled the remaining chariots from the side rooms and we killed them, still no pop. Ran around and deaggroed the Rampart. Reclaimed it and it just used Astral Gate or something.