Salvage II - Slavage Harder

**Byrthnoth** · 2012-12-19 05:21

I notice that I always get 6 unlock slots on Floor 2 of Arrapago if I kill 18 monsters + the Chigoe NM. Perhaps it's just monster total for the previous floor/3, rounded down?

Also, are the monster names as boring in other languages as in English? "Vulture", "Acrolith", etc. with non-unique NM names? Considering the number of localization errors in this update, I'm left wondering if there was an unhealthy amount of rush on SE's side to get this update out the door.

**Asymptotic** · 2012-12-19 07:25

Originally Posted by Cairthenn

Khimaira Prideleader can use Lithic Breath. I'm not sure if it's at low HP or any HP, but I wasn't really expecting that.

Also, it can be gravity-d. <.<

Would also like to point out that we found out that Gravity lands because I accidentally hit Desperate Flourish. So yeah, not only can it be gravitied, it can be DNC gravitied.

Also, I would just like to point out that forcing us to kill all free-spawning Archaic Machinery to pop HQs would be consistent with SE's implied goal of returning Alexandrite supply to "normal."

**Arthars** · 2012-12-19 08:05

Originally Posted by NynJa

pretty sure if you dont kill any pathos removal mobs on one floor, your lamp will be inactive the next.

yea, the unlock only apply to the floor before, not entire too

if you "forget to see uses remaining" and popped something that not gotta unlock in future floors, eg. abi spell, your teammates is screwed.

**macross** · 2012-12-19 10:10

BR2, again east side gear nm no pop. no clue as to why, tried killed same time and kill fast without any luck.
Got to floor 4 in under 1 hour, cleared it fast as i could, and nq popped. I'm guessing its how fast you clear floor 4 or how fast you kill the last 3 gears maybe.

**Taint** · 2012-12-19 10:45

Originally Posted by macross

BR2, again east side gear nm no pop. no clue as to why, tried killed same time and kill fast without any luck.
Got to floor 4 in under 1 hour, cleared it fast as i could, and nq popped. I'm guessing its how fast you clear floor 4 or how fast you kill the last 3 gears maybe.

We did a sloppy BR last night and got HQ.

F1: East Path: Flyx2,Blobx1,Gobx2,Gob NM(coin purse), Dahak, Dahak NM
F2: Both West Trolls, Troll NM, West Troll, NW Troll NM
F3: Skipped
F4: East Path: Single Gears at the same time (windower time stamp 3 sec difference), no NM pop, LBC, Acrolithx2, Acrolith NM
NQ Cerb (Usu body)
F5: HQ Cerb (Morr body, Marduk Hands)

**Banalaty** · 2012-12-19 11:07

Has anyone popped both khimd with only 2 in zone? I have repeatedly popped in 4 body runs, but never once when dual boxing. Has anyone popped it with only 2 people in the run?

**Byrthnoth** · 2012-12-19 11:09

I have popped them with 3 in the zone, but not 2.

**ArwynOfOdin** · 2012-12-19 11:23

Somehow I doubt SE would create a requirement for 3 members just in Arra, so I would think we could put this theory to rest right away if someone could just confirm they popped an HQ in any of the 4 zones with only 2 members, no?

**Yugl** · 2012-12-19 11:32

Originally Posted by Byrthnoth

I notice that I always get 6 unlock slots on Floor 2 of Arrapago if I kill 18 monsters + the Chigoe NM. Perhaps it's just monster total for the previous floor/3, rounded down?

Also, are the monster names as boring in other languages as in English? "Vulture", "Acrolith", etc. with non-unique NM names? Considering the number of localization errors in this update, I'm left wondering if there was an unhealthy amount of rush on SE's side to get this update out the door.

Yep, just as lame.

**NynJa** · 2012-12-19 11:35

Do people not read threads before asking certain questions? Ive said i duoed arra and got Nq on 6f.

**Yugl** · 2012-12-19 12:00

Not reasonable for people to view 24 pages, accumulate what has been said, and siphon that info from what they're about to provide. Much rather have repeats than people not contributing because they don't want to be "that guy" people antagonize because of repeat info.

**NynJa** · 2012-12-19 12:09

Should be page 10 if they're doing it right :D

also, mob names universal across all the clients
http://images.mmosite.com/photo/2008...iGbI67367d.jpg

**macross** · 2012-12-19 14:15

Maybe br2 east side is considered 'easier' so the NM isn't guaranteed to pop. Guess Ill try going west side next time and doing the same time triples.
I noticed the 3 triple gears where the nq cerb rampart is don't spawn till you open the door. Makes me believe it's time based soon as they pop, you got 2-3 min to kill maybe or less.
Least we know can skip floor 3 entirely without any penalty, unless doing it increase chances. Never know could be more mobs you kill the higher the chance of spawns or something, or more gears you kill increases chance of gear nm spawning?

**Lyltia** · 2012-12-19 22:10

More news from Bhaflau Remnants II; this run was completely fucked compared to our normal results.

-Killed the first Moblin normally, but delayed pulling the second so that it would be greater than 5 minutes til it died. Result? NM popped. Combined with the other report that skipping first moblin had no effect on NM popping, I'm changing my hypothesis to kill speed on 2nd moblin governing the NM's appearance. Will test more tomorrow.

-On 2F in the central area, we killed SW > NW > NE trolls, skipped the SE troll; then I opened the east door, killed both trolls on the way, opened south door, no NM. Opened door to portal, no NM. Ran back to kill central southeast troll, no NM. First time we've ever seen this happen; we have killed less that all of the central trolls before, but I'm not sure if we skipped the troll corresponding to the wing we opened. I will check logs and see.

-On 4F, we brought both gears in the first room down to ~10% and attempted to kill at the same time; the second gear was left alive... and the gear NM spawned. Ergo, the spawn condition is not killing them at once; the NM popped right on top of me while I was casting Holy II on the surviving gear, which was still very much alive.

-We killed the final 3 gears on 4F within seconds of each other as per usual, but Rampart did not pop. We did seem to take longer than usual to kill them though...

**Leons** · 2012-12-19 22:20

I've done this trio quite a few times now to figure out the Dvergr boss spawn conditions on 4F; so far all the times I've been having trouble on 4F and taking over a certain quantity of minutes, NQ Dvergr wouldn't pop (maybe over 5-10 minutes?). I may need to try again more times to check if killing 2 ramparts and rushing to Dvergr's rampart always works.

Please confirm if this applies to have sense so we can finally update the BGWiki.

**Aumaan_Kujata** · 2012-12-19 23:45

Originally Posted by Leons

I've done this trio quite a few times now to figure out the Dvergr boss spawn conditions on 4F; so far all the times I've been having trouble on 4F and taking over a certain quantity of minutes, NQ Dvergr wouldn't pop (maybe over 5-10 minutes?). I may need to try again more times to check if killing 2 ramparts and rushing to Dvergr's rampart always works.

Please confirm if this applies to have sense so we can finally update the BGWiki.

For whatever it's worth, my group on 4th floor SSR2 just killed the first rampart and its gears (west side), then skipped everything else on the floor, and we got the rampart w/ NQ Dvergr at the end of the floor.

**Banalaty** · 2012-12-20 00:26

Another dual box Arra. Another fail on khim pop.

1st floor: Killed 1st room+lamia in each wing. Cleared NE wing for Chigoe. Killed Chigoe. Went up NE.
2nd floor: Killed 2x Lamia in NE room. Opened door. Killed 4x gear+gear NM.
3rd Floor: Headed east/north. Aggrod 2x Drk qutrub and killed. Killed Acro NM. Killed solo gear. Opened door. Killed gear NM
4th floor: Killed 2x flytrap for cells. Killed 2x Acro+Acro NM. Killed most of the lamia(forget how many) and lamia NM.
5th floor: Killed 16/16 solo gears. Went up.
6th floor: Killed AC. Attacked ramp, popped chariot, killed both.
7th floor: Killed NQ Khim. Idi's gloves.
15 min left.

Fuck khim. 0/6 dual box. 2/11 total.

**Asymptotic** · 2012-12-20 00:37

Your runs are identical to ours except we additionally:

On floor 5, kill the rampart that corresponds to the porter we used on floor 1 (in our case, NE)
On floor 6, we kill other chariots in main room before killing boss-type chariot.

And we've always popped the HQ. One of these two conditions is fulfilling a requirement.

**Helel** · 2012-12-20 00:39

Originally Posted by Banalaty

Another dual box Arra. Another fail on khim pop.

1st floor: Killed 1st room+lamia in each wing. Cleared NE wing for Chigoe. Killed Chigoe. Went up NE.
2nd floor: Killed 2x Lamia in NE room. Opened door. Killed 4x gear+gear NM.
3rd Floor: Headed east/north. Aggrod 2x Drk qutrub and killed. Killed Acro NM. Killed solo gear. Opened door. Killed gear NM
4th floor: Killed 2x flytrap for cells. Killed 2x Acro+Acro NM. Killed most of the lamia(forget how many) and lamia NM.
5th floor: Killed 16/16 solo gears. Went up.
6th floor: Killed AC. Attacked ramp, popped chariot, killed both.
7th floor: Killed NQ Khim. Idi's gloves.
15 min left.

Fuck khim. 0/6 dual box. 2/11 total.

Try killing ramparts on the 5th floor.

**Slycer** · 2012-12-20 01:03

Are we still clueless on 2F central NM in SSR? It's kind of bothering me that we still have no clue what pops that one.

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