Salvage II - Slavage Harder

[macross]

Pretty big boost!



Macross, you killed the single gears within 1:01 of zoning up, or 1:01 apart?

1:01 from engaging to killing both, under 2 min zoning up to kiling both though, since all unlocked dont need to check lamp. :38 sec to kill first one :23 sec to kill 2nd one after first one. This is east side, for sure it's not killing same time. I just killed one then the other. Maybe it's based on how fast you kill the gears themselves, every time i tried same time it didn't pop.

NM's don't seem random, only one that doesn't pop for me regularly is the f4 east gear NM. Just a matter of figuring out why I guess. Today I killed extra floor 3 gears since got links, but also just ran in and killed the 2 gears fast as I could one after the other. My guess is kiling floor 3 gears increases chances of it spawning or you just gotta kill the first gear fast then the 2nd gear fast too. Trying to kill at same time makes it so you kill the first gear slower, i've never gotten it to spawn when i tried the kill at same time thing, for east side NM.

Haven't failed to pop the NQ since ive been timing and prepping to kill the last 3 triple gears fast as possible. Need more people to time it and try and see results. They don't pop till door is open, so it's possible that's the trigger. Open door, you get 90 sec maybe 2 min to kill all 3 perhaps or no rampart pops.

forgot to add, im fully unlocked on everything before going up to floor 4 too, if it affects anything.

[Motenten]

For those of you who were complaining about Skadi's Chausses +1, I have a present.

Here are the real stats:

DEF:52 Accuracy+7 Attack+17
Ranged Accuracy+7 Ranged Attack+17
"Store TP"+8
"Haste" +6%
Set: Increases rate of critical hits

Courtesy of JP version and/or JP Wiki: http://wiki.ffo.jp/html/27612.html

I believe this was already responded to officially but never saw any post here.

Updated the relevant spreadsheets with it.

[Taint]

1:01 from engaging to killing both, under 2 min zoning up to kiling both though, since all unlocked dont need to check lamp. :38 sec to kill first one :23 sec to kill 2nd one after first one. This is east side, for sure it's not killing same time. I just killed one then the other. Maybe it's based on how fast you kill the gears themselves, every time i tried same time it didn't pop.

NM's don't seem random, only one that doesn't pop for me regularly is the f4 east gear NM. Just a matter of figuring out why I guess. Today I killed extra floor 3 gears since got links, but also just ran in and killed the 2 gears fast as I could one after the other. My guess is kiling floor 3 gears increases chances of it spawning or you just gotta kill the first gear fast then the 2nd gear fast too. Trying to kill at same time makes it so you kill the first gear slower, i've never gotten it to spawn when i tried the kill at same time thing, for east side NM.

Haven't failed to pop the NQ since ive been timing and prepping to kill the last 3 triple gears fast as possible. Need more people to time it and try and see results. They don't pop till door is open, so it's possible that's the trigger. Open door, you get 90 sec maybe 2 min to kill all 3 perhaps or no rampart pops.

forgot to add, im fully unlocked on everything before going up to floor 4 too, if it affects anything.

Yeah we have yet to have them pop killing them at the same time. We've also fully cleared the 3rd floor and no pop. Going to zerg them next.

My two theories to test are:

1) Kill speed, zone and kill.
2) Kill the 2nd one after the first has depopped completely.

We've gotten HQ Cerb every run and I haven't always been fully unlocked, we have also completely skipped floor 3 twice now.

[Nerji]

We've gotten HQ Cerb every run and I haven't always been fully unlocked, we have also completely skipped floor 3 twice now.

My last 3 runs we skipped floor 3 and only kill 1~2 agros we got from agro and we've had HQ cerbs each run.
I know we've killed the 3 gears that pop the rampart under the 60minute count, so it could be you have to get to that floor in under 60minutes or kill the 3 gears under 60minutes

[Byrthnoth]

Morrigan's Robe +1 also has 13 attack, if people didn't see that.

[Motenten]

Morrigan's Robe +1 also has 13 attack, if people didn't see that.

Ah, yes, I'd wondered about that. Updated rdm and blu spreadsheets with this.

[Martel]

He resist enthunder and enblizzard from my experience. Enstone hits for upwards of 30, but can be resisted. I haven't tried fire, water, or air.

In terms of kill time, we have 3 characters not 4, once of which is a THF. (Do you not use one)? Regardless, I believe most hydra mobs resist piercing so it's basically my BLU doing the majority of the damage. At least CDC tends to knock his heads off. I also noticed there isn't much of a level correction penalty against BLU spells. It's actually worth using a few of them.

Khimaira is just so much easier than these hydras. I just want a second skadi body (got one) and I'm out of here.

I really doubt hydra have any kinda piercing resist.

spoilered for huge.

Spoiler: show

[Motenten]

And Martel wins.

So yeah, if it's not piercing resistant, and your thf is doing poorly, that just means the thf is doing poorly and feeding too much TP. Have them pick another job.

[Helel]

And Martel wins.

So yeah, if it's not piercing resistant, and your thf is doing poorly, that just means the thf is doing poorly and feeding too much TP. Have them pick another job.

Why would I go to salvage without a THF...? THF completely destroys the archaic gears, which are weak to piercing, and I enjoy double paper drops + linens from the NQ+HQ. It's not like you need more than one DD to kill hydra anyway. Once his pyric bulwark head is killed, he goes down pretty fast.

Hydra does resist piercing. The one in the salvage may not, but the majority do. The NQ hydra in abyssea does resist piercing; the HQ does not (you can clearly see the difference in damage between the two on RNG); the original hydra does resist piercing (also very obvious); I don't remember if the legion ones do; the one in nyzul definitely resists piercing.

Going with this mold, the HQ hydra posted above likely does not resist piercing. HQ hydras, for whatever reason, do not possess piercing resistance, but NQ (original model hydra) usually do. This may or may not be true of the NQ hydra in salvage. I don't parse, nor do I know exactly how much damage the THF is doing; I was simply assuming they would not be very effective against hydra mobs.

[Martel]

Hmmm. I didn't pay much attention to DMG on the NQ. And I only noticed in that SS cause wtf huge dmg.

Sounds like we should do some testing on various hydra type mobs. I'll look through my parses first, and compare nq and hq avg dmgs.

[Asymptotic]

Khimaira Prideleader has approximately 473 "Evasion" (after level correction - so it's more likely around LV105 and ~460 evasion). Its accuracy is either capped or very nearly capped on a 99 DNC, so I wouldn't hold any hopes of evading it.

It has less than 110 DEX (1% Crit rate on me) and probably around 96-100 AGI (aggregate 25% critical hit rate with 146 DEX and I'm a pansy and don't wear my rancor collar because our healers are mules, but do occasionally toss in a feather step if box step caps out).

With 473 evasion you need around 515 accuracy to cap out, this is probably more than most one-handed jobs have naturally, but I think most 2-handed jobs should be fine.

[Arthars]

1:01 from engaging to killing both, under 2 min zoning up to kiling both though, since all unlocked dont need to check lamp. :38 sec to kill first one :23 sec to kill 2nd one after first one. This is east side, for sure it's not killing same time. I just killed one then the other. Maybe it's based on how fast you kill the gears themselves, every time i tried same time it didn't pop.

NM's don't seem random, only one that doesn't pop for me regularly is the f4 east gear NM. Just a matter of figuring out why I guess. Today I killed extra floor 3 gears since got links, but also just ran in and killed the 2 gears fast as I could one after the other. My guess is kiling floor 3 gears increases chances of it spawning or you just gotta kill the first gear fast then the 2nd gear fast too. Trying to kill at same time makes it so you kill the first gear slower, i've never gotten it to spawn when i tried the kill at same time thing, for east side NM.

Haven't failed to pop the NQ since ive been timing and prepping to kill the last 3 triple gears fast as possible. Need more people to time it and try and see results. They don't pop till door is open, so it's possible that's the trigger. Open door, you get 90 sec maybe 2 min to kill all 3 perhaps or no rampart pops.

forgot to add, im fully unlocked on everything before going up to floor 4 too, if it affects anything.

me on other hand, a;lways have popped the gear NM everytime we kill same time O_O

but that may also indicate its speed of killing the gear

Generally speaking, the drop rates for the "extra plans" and quantity available increase as you go up the floors, including when you re-encounter the same NM on a higher floor. The ones that can drop 3 plans are trolls/acrolith in Bhaf, BC in Zhay, LAC in SSR, and Acrolith in AR. Bhaf has more multi-droppers than the other zones, but the rates for the additionals tend to be lower. Still looks like Bhaf has the best acquisition rate on Plans, though. Maybe that's why some of the NMs are seemingly "random" spawn? Would balance out the higher drop instances of plans.

bhaf is the only place with ritual plans tho..... so 7-12 plans a run is justifiable

[Tachi]

Khimaira Prideleader, Cerberus Seether and Bloodthirsty Dvergr have approximately 60,000 HP each.
Cerberus Seether can Acheron Flame sometimes twice in a row.
Dvergr and Bloodthirsty Dvergr start to use Necrobane / Necropurge only under 50% I think.

[Byrthnoth]

Sorry, missed the first floor. We killed the starting 4 Vultures, the Kabukidancer that's right there, and then cleared the SW wing. Otherwise:

Fight #   Enemy                   Killed?   Killed By           Start Time   End Time   Fight Length   Exp   Chain
1         Merrow Icedancer        True      Byrth                 10:40 PM   10:41 PM       00:00:46     0       0
2         Lamia Dancer            True      Byrth                 10:41 PM   10:42 PM       00:00:45     0       0
3         Archaic Gear            True      Byrth                 10:43 PM   10:43 PM       00:00:24     0       0
4         Archaic Gear            True      Byrth                 10:43 PM   10:44 PM       00:00:27     0       0
5         Archaic Gear            True      Byrth                 10:44 PM   10:45 PM       00:00:36     0       0
6         Archaic Gear            True      Geneyus               10:45 PM   10:45 PM       00:00:05     0       0
7         Archaic Gear            True      Byrth                 10:45 PM   10:45 PM       00:00:37     0       0
8         Acrolith                True      Byrth                 10:47 PM   10:48 PM       00:01:20     0       0
9         Qutrub                  True      Byrth                 10:48 PM   10:49 PM       00:00:37     0       0
10        Qutrub                  True      Geneyus               10:49 PM   10:49 PM       00:00:00     0       0
11        Qutrub                  True      Geneyus               10:49 PM   10:50 PM       00:00:29     0       0
12        Qutrub                  True      Geneyus               10:50 PM   10:50 PM       00:00:04     0       0
13        Archaic Gear            True      Byrth                 10:50 PM   10:51 PM       00:00:50     0       0
14        Lamia Graverobber       True      Geneyus               10:51 PM   11:03 PM       00:12:40     0       0
15        Lamia Fatedealer        True      Byrth                 10:51 PM   11:01 PM       00:10:03     0       0
16        Lamia Dancer            True      Geneyus               10:51 PM   10:52 PM       00:00:43     0       0
17        Lamia's Elemental       True                            10:51 PM   11:02 PM       00:10:33     0       0
18        Archaic Gear            True      Byrth                 10:52 PM   10:53 PM       00:01:01     0       0
19        Flytrap                 True      Geneyus               10:55 PM   10:55 PM       00:00:27     0       0
20        Flytrap                 True      Geneyus               10:55 PM   10:56 PM       00:00:27     0       0
21        Flytrap                 True      Byrth                 10:56 PM   10:56 PM       00:00:14     0       0
22        Flytrap                 True      Geneyus               10:56 PM   10:56 PM       00:00:16     0       0
23        Acrolith                True      Geneyus               10:57 PM   10:57 PM       00:00:38     0       0
24        Acrolith                True      Byrth                 10:57 PM   10:58 PM       00:00:30     0       0
25        Acrolith                True      Byrth                 10:58 PM   10:59 PM       00:01:28     0       0
26        Lamia Dartist           True      Geneyus               11:00 PM   11:01 PM       00:00:41     0       0
27        Lamia Fatedealer        True      Byrth                 11:01 PM   11:02 PM       00:00:44     0       0
28        Lamia Dancer            True      Geneyus               11:01 PM   11:02 PM       00:00:33     0       0
29        Lamia Dartist           True      Byrth                 11:02 PM   11:03 PM       00:01:11     0       0
30        Lamia Spoliator         True      Byrth                 11:04 PM   11:05 PM       00:01:24     0       0
31        Archaic Gear            True      Byrth                 11:07 PM   11:08 PM       00:01:05     0       0
32        Archaic Gear            True      Geneyus               11:08 PM   11:08 PM       00:00:00     0       0
33        Archaic Gear            True      Geneyus               11:08 PM   11:09 PM       00:00:41     0       0
34        Archaic Gear            True      Geneyus               11:09 PM   11:09 PM       00:00:04     0       0
35        Archaic Gear            True      Byrth                 11:09 PM   11:10 PM       00:00:23     0       0
36        Archaic Gear            True      Geneyus               11:10 PM   11:10 PM       00:00:41     0       0
37        Archaic Gear            True      Geneyus               11:10 PM   11:10 PM       00:00:01     0       0
38        Archaic Gear            True      Byrth                 11:11 PM   11:11 PM       00:00:12     0       0
39        Archaic Gear            True      Byrth                 11:11 PM   11:12 PM       00:00:27     0       0
40        Archaic Gear            True      Byrth                 11:12 PM   11:12 PM       00:00:31     0       0
41        Archaic Gear            True      Geneyus               11:12 PM   11:13 PM       00:00:19     0       0
42        Archaic Gear            True      Byrth                 11:13 PM   11:13 PM       00:00:00     0       0
43        Archaic Gear            True      Byrth                 11:13 PM   11:14 PM       00:00:28     0       0
44        Archaic Gear            True      Byrth                 11:14 PM   11:14 PM       00:00:33     0       0
45        Archaic Gear            True      Byrth                 11:14 PM   11:15 PM       00:00:21     0       0
46        Archaic Gear            True      Byrth                 11:15 PM   11:15 PM       00:00:17     0       0
47        Archaic Chariot         True      Byrth                 11:16 PM   11:18 PM       00:01:26     0       0
48        Archaic Chariot         True      Byrth                 11:18 PM   11:18 PM       00:00:42     0       0
49        Archaic Chariot         True      Geneyus               11:19 PM   11:19 PM       00:00:52     0       0
50        Archaic Chariot         True      Byrth                 11:20 PM   11:21 PM       00:00:41     0       0
51        Archaic Chariot         True      Byrth                 11:21 PM   11:21 PM       00:00:47     0       0
52        Armored Chariot         True      Geneyus               11:22 PM   11:24 PM       00:02:20     0       0
53        Archaic Rampart         True      Geneyus               11:25 PM   11:26 PM       00:00:54     0       0
54        Khimaira                True      Byrth                 11:26 PM   11:29 PM       00:03:35     0       0
55        Archaic Rampart         False                           11:30 PM   11:37 PM       00:06:36     0       0
56        Khimaira Prideleader    True      Byrth                 11:31 PM   11:37 PM       00:05:14     0       0

[Motenten]

NQ Hydra has about 50k HP. HQ hydra I'd guesstimate at 75k HP. Did 62k straight damage, but also had Kaustra and Helix on it.

Rough estimate from parse data would put HQ hydra at about 420-430 defense, level 104. NQ is probably about the same (within 1 level and a few points of defense), but I don't have a proper data set to pinpoint it.

I had 519 acc and a 91% hit rate on the HQ, so (assuming lvl 104) probably has roughly a 470 evasion. 530 acc should cap.

[Slycer]

Yet another HQ Cerb (100% now on HQ Cerb/Khim/Dvergr, only missed HQ Hydra when we didn't clear 6F Zhay).

1F: Fly x1, Pudding x1, Armsman x2, TTT (NM), Dahak (double body slam on NM nearly wiped us so ported before killing Smouldering Dahak)
2F: Center four trolls, Occultist, Guardian (didn't kill PUPs)
3F: Fully cleared the floor
4F: Fully cleared the floor (east, incl. both NMs) - popped Ramp, Cerb (Ate's Mask)
5F: HQ Cerb (Idi's Jerkin, Linen)

Obviously it has something to do with killing stuff, perhaps machinery. I'm usually going with 5-6 people so we're almost always clearing entire floors of archaic machinery, etc. For example, in Bhaf, there are an awful lot of seemingly useless single gears on 3F. 2x Ritual off each NM we killed except TTT, so 9 total. 2 cottons as well, one off TTT and one off one of the non-NM Acroliths.

[noodles355]

For those of you who were complaining about Skadi's Chausses +1, I have a present.

Here are the real stats:

DEF:52 Accuracy+7 Attack+17
Ranged Accuracy+7 Ranged Attack+17
"Store TP"+8
"Haste" +6%
Set: Increases rate of critical hits

Courtesy of JP version and/or JP Wiki: http://wiki.ffo.jp/html/27612.html

I believe this was already responded to officially but never saw any post here.

Sadly I still can't find a way to put them into a thf TP set unless the set bonus is partial and huge... So instead of just been dat swapping all the thaumas to skadi >.>

[NynJa]

Hydra has a pretty potent regen too though, was that accounted for?

Every bulwark is like 2% hp restored and ~60 seconds lost.

[macross]

Do you got 2 people or more killing the 2 gears arthars? Just that is prob enough to kill em fast. I'm the only dd so if i try to kill same time i gotta beat up one then switch, meaning it takes longer for the first one to die from engaging. Anyhow, don't think taking more people and full clearing is how stuff pops. It's likely due to having more people, you clear stuff alot faster than people duo/tri boxing.

Khimmy have any pdt or anyting?

[Nerji]

Yet another HQ Cerb (100% now on HQ Cerb/Khim/Dvergr, only missed HQ Hydra when we didn't clear 6F Zhay).

1F: Fly x1, Pudding x1, Armsman x2, TTT (NM), Dahak (double body slam on NM nearly wiped us so ported before killing Smouldering Dahak)
2F: Center four trolls, Occultist, Guardian (didn't kill PUPs)
3F: Fully cleared the floor
4F: Fully cleared the floor (east, incl. both NMs) - popped Ramp, Cerb (Ate's Mask)
5F: HQ Cerb (Idi's Jerkin, Linen)

Obviously it has something to do with killing stuff, perhaps machinery. I'm usually going with 5-6 people so we're almost always clearing entire floors of archaic machinery, etc. For example, in Bhaf, there are an awful lot of seemingly useless single gears on 3F. 2x Ritual off each NM we killed except TTT, so 9 total. 2 cottons as well, one off TTT and one off one of the non-NM Acroliths.

Can you keep an eye on how long it takes you to get to the 4th floor? I've been dual boxing/trioing the zone and have managed to get nq cerb to pop everytime by skipping 3rd floor and killing the 3 gears that pop rampart in under 60minutes of being in the zone