Salvage II - Slavage Harder

[Kincard]

[11:27:58]You have 100 minutes (Earth time) to complete this mission.
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[12:27:53]You find a piece of alexandrite on the Archaic Rampart.
[12:27:58]Kincard is no longer bound.
[12:27:58]Collisse casts Erase.
[12:27:58]Kincard's bind effect disappears!
[12:28:02]Collisse's lot for the piece of alexandrite: 138 points.
[12:28:50]Collisse uses Afflatus Misery.
[12:28:50]Kincard hits the Archaic Gear for 72 points of damage.

Erased that bind from the Rampart right before floor 4 of BR4E, and the gear NM popped. I zoned up just a few seconds after the 1 hour mark. Maybe a bit too close for comfort, but just tossing this in.

Edit: Just found this too.

[08:29:37]=== Area: Bhaflau Remnants ===
[08:29:37]You have 100 minutes (Earth time) to complete this mission.
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[09:23:20]Blackwhirlwind defeats the Archaic Rampart.
[09:23:22]You find a piece of alexandrite on the Archaic Rampart.
[09:24:29]Kincard uses Provoke on the Archaic Gear.
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[09:25:20]Blackwhirlwind defeats the Archaic Gear.
[09:25:20]Collisse obtains a piece of alexandrite.
[09:25:23]Collisse starts casting Haste on Kincard.
[09:25:24]<Collisse> hm, no gear nm

[detlef]

I haven't been able to confirm to myself but I've heard people swear up and down that the spawn conditions for 2f central NM in SSR is weather-related.

[shamusde]

I dont think anyone will willingly pass up a HQ, just wait for someone to post fight time from a MR spam happy chariot lol

At work so can't post logger info, but can confirm an Armored fight time of 2:45 secs with NQ Khim pop. Went back and reviewed duration after the run. If it matters, there were only 3 of us (THF,BST,WHMmule). Did a typical ARII run-
Floor 1: Cleared NW wing + Chigoe Stinger
Floor 2: Killed 2x Lamia in starting room, killed 4 Gears + Gear NM
Floor 3: Arcolith > lone gear N > NM Gear in porter room
Floor 4: 2x Arcolith + NM, 2x Fatedealer + 2x Dartists + Spoliater
Floor 5: 3 gears on the way to + 4 gears in central room (didn't kill ramparts, but agro'd and got reinforcements to pop on the NW one, then ported up)
Floor 6: Killed 2 Archaic Chariots then engaged Armored (ranged attack missed at 45:48, tod was 48:33), killed last Archaic chariot then NQ khim (Idi's mask).
Floor 7: HQ Khim (2x genta gote + linen)

[Slycer]

I keep trying to think of all of the things that might or might not be pop conditions for the NMs in Bhaflau that we still aren't sure of (as well as Windwalker in SSR). I feel like everything I can think of has had at least one instance of being disproven in this thread. I find it hard to believe that it's totally random but.... idk.

I mean what do we have for the Archaic Gear NM, for example....
Time to get to 4F? Disproven above.
Killing them within a very short time of each other? Disproved it myself, plus many other instances in this thread.
Killing them very quickly? Also disproved it myself, as well as a few other cases in this thread.
3F kills? Cleared 3F and still no pop.

What else could it be? The only thing that's obviously a factor is that it involves killing both of the gears.

[Slycer]

Also, generally speaking, which NMs have we not come to a 100% certainty on pop conditions? The ones I can think of offhand are:

Bhaflau:
Goblin NMs
Archaic Gear NMs
Spawning Cerberus Gate

Arrapago:
Forcing Khim from gate

Silver Sea Remnants:
Fomor Windwalker
Spawning Dvergr Gate

For Zhay and everything else not listed above, I'm pretty sure we have everything confirmed at this point (let me know if I'm wrong).

It may be worthwhile to create a second thread specifically about trying to figure out these unsolved mysteries. If I have some time later I'll accumulate the relevant information from this thread and try to start up another about that.

[Taint]

Bhaflau:
Goblin NMs - 100% pop after killing the 2nd gob.

Gob NM has always popped for us (10ish BR runs)

Archaic Gear NMs

Spawning Cerberus Gate - defeat the 3 gears in under 2min

9/10 on HQ, the only time we haven't gotten the rampart to pop was when our BRD deicded to be proactive and open the door to the 3 gears while we were still fighting in the other room

Edit: We went west 7 of the 10 runs to farm Marduk items. (including the one no pop)

[Kincard]

What else could it be? The only thing that's obviously a factor is that it involves killing both of the gears.

Something to do with Vana'Diel days, weather, what is used to aggro them, killing a certain way, killing before/after they use a certain move (Restoral?). There's so many possibilities its going to be annoying to test them all.

Are you only able to spawn one rampart on F3 every run? I only ever bothered clearing one side so wondering something about that.

Spawning Cerberus Gate

It's pretty much like 90% sure that it's "kill multigears within 2 minutes" now, at least for East. Until someone proves otherwise there's already been multiple accounts supporting this idea.

[Nekradarken]

Windwalker poped on our run today. We took east path on floor1 and only killed ramparts on the way to pop NMs. At floor2, we killed the four ramparts and all fomors on the west side and windwalker rampart pop when we arrived there. We did not open any doors before the rampart poped. If anyone is interested in the timing, we ported up to floor 2 at 19min45s. Kill all four ramparts and fomors in 6min58s from the time we zoned into floor2.

In our previous SSR2 run where windwalker did not pop, we also followed the same path. The timing for that run: ported up to floor2 at ~21mins (definitely more than 20 mins), kill all four ramparts and fomors in 6mins from the time we zoned into floor2. The timing for this run was estimated from chat log and parse.

[Loziel]

So in the interest of 1. increasing the supply, 2. helping me farm more: what is now the optimal way to farm alexandrite across all Zones (Salvage 1 & 2) im looking for the highest average haul and a defined route. I am hoping there is a bit more to come from this new salvage in terms of alexandrite droppage

[NynJa]

If you want to reliably increase supply, SSR1 is still your best bet.

[Buffy]

I've never done salvage or assaults, but have a tri-box available. What is the easiest way to farm assault points (preferably tri-box) from the first five assault missions? Is there a simple answer?

[detlef]

Lamia 13 is pretty simple and easy.

Nevermind, I thought you said first 5 ranks.

Leujaoam Cleansing is probably best and most straightforward.

[Taint]

I've never done salvage or assaults, but have a tri-box available. What is the easiest way to farm assault points (preferably tri-box) from the first five assault missions? Is there a simple answer?

Just get Rank2 and do Lamia13. I use SAM and can solo the NM with 3 WSs, your mules won't even have to move once you enter.

[Lyltia]

Bhaflau II:

-Moblin NM is not 100%, pop condition is killspeed on 2nd Moblin (1st moblin does not matter for this purpose). Still nailing down exact time, but looks like ~2min

-2F quadrant NM (as in, not Occultist) is not 100%, the only time it has not spawned for us is when we skipped the central troll that corresponded to the quadrant we opened. (i.e., skipped southeast troll, went southeast, no NM)

-4F gear NM is likely time-based; trying to kill at same time with 3 people always results in no pop, but concentrating fire and killing each ASAP has always worked. We have seen the NM pop after killing only one gear, but only once. I believe it to be similar to the moblins on 1F.

-3 minutes to kill the final gears to pop NQ Cerberus gate is not disproven by my data.

[Cairthenn]

Making a new thread out of what's left to be discovered would pull virtually all discussion out of this one and also have people looking in two places for information. It'd probably be better to just make a post here consolidating information, especially considering that for half of the things that were listed, we have pretty solid information.

[SargentRemora]

AR2: Killed Armored just under 3 mins and Khimeria popped.

[03:04:09]Sargent's ranged attack misses.
[03:07:02]Haberym defeats the Armored Chariot.

[Cairthenn]

Alright, well just over three and it won't. I suppose I'll edit wiki.

[macross]

so looks like 3 min is the cap for armored chariot, unless theres more data. My 3:12 didnt pop it for sure.
time zoning up for sure isn't condition for 4f Bhaf east. Kill fast as you can works usually,
need to figure out time allowed for triple gears in bhaf for cerb rampart now. Sadly I didn't start out logging for all those non pops I had. The only time it didn't pop for me was when my thief died, and I must have killed too slow, but how slow I dunno. Likely its under 2 min or maybe 3. They die really fast so maybe its just 2 hehe.

[suji]

More AR2 stuff:

We only killed one group of triple gears on the 5th floor and we pre-buffed before warping up to 6, immediately ran and engaged Armored Chariot and killed it asap. Then we saw the Rampart but, thinking that meant we would get Khimaira for sure if it was up (I think this is wrong based on what you guys said? Is it up no matter what but spawns a Chariot if you fail?), we proceeded to clear the other chariots out of the way just to avoid unnecessary aggro. Khimaira still popped.

[00:18:08]You have 100 minutes (Earth time) to complete this mission.
[01:26:22]Suji uses Chi Blast.
[01:26:22]The Armored Chariot takes 48 points of damage.
[01:28:21]Suji defeats the Armored Chariot. # Cutting it really close if it needs to be <2mins
[01:28:44]Suji uses Provoke on the Archaic Chariot. # first chariot
[01:30:54]Cravygravy defeats the Archaic Chariot. # last chariot dying
[01:31:13] Suji scores a critical hit! The Archaic Rampart takes 148 points of damage. # rampart engaged

And then NQ Khimaira spawned fairly early. Re the posts about HP%, while I didn't watch it carefully, I'm sure it was above 70% because I would have been worrying if we were killing it too fast. Pretty sure it was 75~80 though.

[Cairthenn]

Yes, Arrapago's rampart is always up but will spawn a chariot if you do not correctly fulfill conditions.