Salvage II - Slavage Harder

[macross]

Yeah rampart is always up. You got 3 min to kill it not 2 anyways so you were fine there, and it did indeed pop. Hp% likely meaningless, was just something to look out for till my ill fated 3:12 no pop. I still check it anyways just in case it doesn't pop someday and I kill under 3min.

[Lain_Iwakura]

Did 2 BRII East path

1st time :
1F : Fly x2 > Pudding x2 > Gob x2 > POP NM Gob > Dahak > NM Dahak.
2F : Stoneworker > Cameist > POP NM Occultist > NM spellbinder.
3F : Skip this floor (just kill for what we miss)
4F : Acrolith x2 > Acrolith NM > Killed 3 gears within 2min of openning the door to pop Cerberus Rampart > Cerberus
5F : Cerberus Seether

2nd time :
1F : Fly x2 > Pudding x2 > Gob x2 > here the NM Gob didn't pop > Dahak > Dahak NM
2F : Smelter > Stoneworker > Cameist > POP NM Occultist > NM spellbinder.
3F : Skip this floor (just kill for what we miss)
4F : Tru to kill 2 first gears to pop NM gears but no pop (not sure about condition) > Chariot > Acrolith x2 > Acrolith NM > Killed 3 gears within 2min of openning the door to pop Cerberus Rampart > Cerberus
5F : Cerberus Seether

I'm almost sure that we've killed the Gob to pop Gob NM more than 2 minutes first time and it pop.

Any tips ?

[Verendus]

In regards to Windwalker's rampart popping.

We always do the West 4 ramparts and they spawn Thf>Pld>Drk>Rdm fomors when pulled individually. When we linked the first set(Thf/Pld) they spawn Thf and Blm fomors, when linking the second set we got Drk and Mnk. Each time we chose to link the second group to fight Mnk fomors, Windwalker's rampart would pop for us. Could be coincidence and there is 1 random rampart of the 8 that will spawn Mnks, but of the 2 times we've linked the second pair after noticing Mnk mobs, we got 1 set of Mnks replacing Rdms and Windwalker's rampart popped.

[Obsidian]

Did 2 BRII East path

1st time :
1F : Fly x2 > Pudding x2 > Gob x2 > POP NM Gob > Dahak > NM Dahak.
2F : Stoneworker > Cameist > POP NM Occultist > NM spellbinder.
3F : Skip this floor (just kill for what we miss)
4F : Acrolith x2 > Acrolith NM > Killed 3 gears within 2min of openning the door to pop Cerberus Rampart > Cerberus
5F : Cerberus Seether

2nd time :
1F : Fly x2 > Pudding x2 > Gob x2 > here the NM Gob didn't pop > Dahak > Dahak NM
2F : Smelter > Stoneworker > Cameist > POP NM Occultist > NM spellbinder.
3F : Skip this floor (just kill for what we miss)
4F : Tru to kill 2 first gears to pop NM gears but no pop (not sure about condition) > Chariot > Acrolith x2 > Acrolith NM > Killed 3 gears within 2min of openning the door to pop Cerberus Rampart > Cerberus
5F : Cerberus Seether

I'm almost sure that we've killed the Gob to pop Gob NM more than 2 minutes first time and it pop.

Any tips ?

We always skip the second fly, second pudding, and first moblin, and we've never missed the moblin NM. Might be time related.

Edit: And I always Hundred Fists the first fly, just because.

[Slycer]

In regards to Windwalker's rampart popping.

We always do the West 4 ramparts and they spawn Thf>Pld>Drk>Rdm fomors when pulled individually. When we linked the first set(Thf/Pld) they spawn Thf and Blm fomors, when linking the second set we got Drk and Mnk. Each time we chose to link the second group to fight Mnk fomors, Windwalker's rampart would pop for us. Could be coincidence and there is 1 random rampart of the 8 that will spawn Mnks, but of the 2 times we've linked the second pair after noticing Mnk mobs, we got 1 set of Mnks replacing Rdms and Windwalker's rampart popped.

That's really weird. If this stuff turns out to be true, it might be the trick to getting this to pop, so thanks for posting this info. I don't think I'm doing SSR today, but if anyone else is, can you test this out? The fact that Fomor Windwalker himself is a MNK may be a hint that you need to kill a rampart of MNKs from the central area to pop him. It's funny that you said this because on the very first SSR2 run I did, I think we had some bad links and I remember seeing BLM spells. I didn't pay attention to the monster types but I could have sworn there were BLM spells. When we went back with clean pulls I never noticed that again so I chalked it up to confusion or bad memory, but I guess there were really BLMs in there...

[Taint]

We always skip the second fly, second pudding, and first moblin, and we've never missed the moblin NM. Might be time related.

Edit: And I always Hundred Fists the first fly, just because.

Thats interesting. We normally do Flyx2 and 1 Blob and always get Gob NM. Could definitely be time.

[NynJa]

For what its worth
If you look in the SSR dats, all 2f central ramparts list 6 fomor instead of 3.

[Slycer]

If you put this together with the theory about weather, it makes even more sense. Link range on machinery gets dramatically increased by certain weather, so you'd almost definitely have rampart links in each corner.

[Renzy]

Armored Chariot logger files, all of which coincide with the 3 minute timer theory (Rampart summoned Khim on all 3)

[18:09:31]Renzy hits the Armored Chariot for 78 points of damage.
[18:10:54]Renzy defeats the Armored Chariot.

[22:27:56]Renzy scores a critical hit!
[22:27:56]The Armored Chariot takes 113 points of damage.
[22:29:55]Renzy defeats the Armored Chariot.

[21:29:46]Renzy hits the Armored Chariot for 69 points of damage.
[21:31:15]Swanseatom defeats the Armored Chariot.


In regards to Bhaflau Remnants, I've also gone through my logger files to check how fast we've been killing the 3 tri-gears before the Cerberus rampart;
I have other players damage filtered, on some of these I may not have been the first person to engage a tri-gear so a couple of seconds can be added.
Cerberus Rampart popped on every one of these runs;

[18:28:28]Renzy hits the Archaic Gears for 311 points of damage.
[18:29:16]Renzy defeats the Archaic Gears.

[18:58:12]Renzy hits the Archaic Gears for 442 points of damage.
[18:58:51]Renzy defeats the Archaic Gears.

[19:29:58]Renzy hits the Archaic Gears for 388 points of damage.
[19:30:54]Renzy defeats the Archaic Gears.

[21:28:08]Renzy hits the Archaic Gears for 856 points of damage.
[21:29:10]Swanseatom defeats the Archaic Gears.

[20:11:35]Renzy hits the Archaic Gears for 341 points of damage.
[20:12:24]Renzy defeats the Archaic Gears.

[22:48:00]Renzy hits the Archaic Gears for 91 points of damage.
[22:48:48]Swanseatom defeats the Archaic Gears.

In regards to the Goblin NM, we have always gotten it to pop.
First 2 Bhaflau runs we did the following;
Wamouracampa x2 > Wamoura x1 > Goblin x2 > Goblin NM > Dahak > NM Dahak.

The previous 4 runs we've done;
Fly x2 > Pudding x1 > Goblin x2 > Goblin NM > Dahak > NM Dahak.

I always assumed that the Goblin NM just popped after killing both Goblins.

[NynJa]

does LBC have any known purpose in Bhaf II?

[Taint]

does LBC have any known purpose in Bhaf II?

Doesn't seem to, but can drop a cotton pouch.

[Obsidian]

Seconded, only seems to drop pouches, unless it has some hidden impact on later-spawning NMs. We always kill it for the pouch.

[Solrain]

Thats interesting. We normally do Flyx2 and 1 Blob and always get Gob NM. Could definitely be time.

We always do both flies, both puddings and both gobs, sometimes with only 1 JA (SAM) unlocked at the initial lamp and generally take our time and we're 8/8 on goblin NM.

[NynJa]

I just did bhaf
killed one fly, 1 pudding, 1 gob (the one in the big room, not the + room), and got NM to spawn. I dont think its time related

[Radec]

SSR F2:
Killed first 4 ramps under water weather, they didn't link, NM ramp didn't pop.
Mobs were, starting from N and going around W side, COR(?) > PLD > DRK > RDM. Ramps all came solo, even trying to link them.
Right as we made it to S room, darkweather popped - after this, ramps all linked.
Going from S > N on E side, Mobs were COR(?) > BLM > DRK > MNK, weather changed to thunder after the mobs had all been popped.
Soon as 3rd MNK died the NM ramp popped in S room. MNK was the last to die, so it's possible that you don't need to kill the DRKs that link onto that pull, just happened that they all died first.

COR's might be THF, it's the fomor model with a dagger.

[Magitek]

sorry double post

[Magitek]

We always do both flies, both puddings and both gobs, sometimes with only 1 JA (SAM) unlocked at the initial lamp and generally take our time and we're 8/8 on goblin NM.

First run today without getting gob NM in about 8-9 or so runs (63ish total Ritualistic plans), lost count. I always kill first 2 flies, at least 1 pudding (can just skip second since you can get the unlocks from lamp next floor for legs/hands etc), and both goblins armsmans. Today, I had PoL issues/crashes and d/c'd 2 of my accounts just as I entered.... losing at least 15 minutes (glad my characters at least made it in). I don't think I made it to gobs until around the 25 minute mark or something.

[Kincard]

I've gotten the goblin to spawn despite taking ages to kill the Wamouracampa/Wamoura on the west route before so I'm guessing the time allowance is pretty generous.

[Magitek]

Does Namru Shalwar drop off NQ/HQ Cerb too? If so, can someone edit the wiki . I'm spamming Bhaf for a few more Ritualistic plans and don't want to keep farming Bhaf unless I can get the 45 Shalwar from this zone as well. However, it seems to be a better choice to farm Tutelary going west path than SSR, right? I didn't get as many in SSR, mostly did NMs for Primacys.

It takes me awhile too, Kincard. I'm the only DD with a gimp 85 Vere , but hey, it works. Roughly how long does it take for you to get to and kill the gob(s) before the NM?

[Slycer]

SSR F2:
Killed first 4 ramps under water weather, they didn't link, NM ramp didn't pop.
Mobs were, starting from N and going around W side, COR(?) > PLD > DRK > RDM. Ramps all came solo, even trying to link them.
Right as we made it to S room, darkweather popped - after this, ramps all linked.
Going from S > N on E side, Mobs were COR(?) > BLM > DRK > MNK, weather changed to thunder after the mobs had all been popped.
Soon as 3rd MNK died the NM ramp popped in S room. MNK was the last to die, so it's possible that you don't need to kill the DRKs that link onto that pull, just happened that they all died first.

COR's might be THF, it's the fomor model with a dagger.

They were THF. Ashu COR are Elvaan, I don't think there are any in SSRII. And yeah, I think water weather reduces aggro/link radius on everything. May need to physically run through the hall before reinforcements spawn to get it to work if water weather is on.