Salvage II - Slavage Harder

[Slycer]

I didn't change any dats, but I'm 99% sure the RDMs rampart spawned as MNKs. Combine that with Verendus's post that said PLDs spawned as BLMs, we can probably assume THF and RDM ramparts will instead spawn MNKs when linked and PLD and DRK ramparts will instead spawn BLMs when linked. But again, you only need to kill one rampart of monks. We went around trying different things to link them (it's really dumb with water weather, it's like impossible to link them - just casting an AoE spell isn't good enough, they actually need to link), failed to link in 3/4 of the corners, and the single rampart of monks we spawned in the fourth corner was enough to pop the NM rampart.

[macross]

Just did Arra and killed Armored Chariot in 97 seconds but didn't get NQ Khim to pop from Rampart. Actually quite baffled by it as we've had HQ Khim every single Arra run we've done prior to today. Today was the first time we went out of the way to kill Armored Chariot quickly and check killspeed too so yeah absolutely stumped. Full cleared everything else on the way up (except 5F Ramparts), didn't kill all the chariots before trying to pop Khim just the ones in the large room.

We can't think of a single thing we did differently to previous runs other than killing Armored Chariot first (normally we just killed whatever is closest). So glitched out/bad luck or something obscure we did on the run to prevent it popping, idk.

Did you parse or log anything? I've killed armored in any order never matter cept when i took over 3min. I've only cleared main room as well, never ever opened the side rooms. Were the pulls clean, dindt link chariot or anything did you?

[Slycer]

Should also note that I've done SSR a bunch and never seen Acroliths on 4F. It's entirely possible that those only spawn from ramparts there when you link them, similar to the stuff on 2F. Can anyone check dats and see if some ramparts there have different types of mobs listed (Acrolith and another type)?

[NynJa]

Archaic Rampart100
Archaic Gears 4
Acrolith
Archaic Rampart101
Archaic Gears 4
Acrolith
Archaic Rampart102
Archaic Chariot
Acrolith
Archaic Rampart103
Archaic Chariot
Acrolith
Archaic Rampart104
Archaic Chariot
Acrolith
Archaic Rampart105
Archaic Gear 2
Archaic Rampart106
Archaic Gear 3
Archaic Rampart107
Archaic Gears 3
Archaic Rampart108
Archaic Chariot 3
Archaic Rampart109
Archaic Gears 4
Archaic Rampart110
Archaic Gears 4
Archaic Rampart111
Archaic Gears 4
Acrolith
Archaic Rampart112
Archaic Gears 4
Acrolith
Archaic Rampart113
Archaic Chariot
Acrolith
Archaic Rampart114
Archaic Chariot
Acrolith
Archaic Rampart115
Archaic Chariot
Acrolith
Archaic Rampart116
Archaic Rampart117
Dvergr
Bloodthirsty Dvergr

I dont know what number denotes the start of 4f, but thats all there is for acros

[suji]

Minor thing, but my group just killed one of the ramparts in the 4-rampart room on floor #1 of SSR2 before it spawned reinforcements, and the NM rat, Seafarer Piliproon, still spawned. Wiki says all reinforcements must be defeated, so I'll add a clarification soon if no one objects (the current wording led us to believe that we messed up the spawn mechanic).

[macross]

About Zhay2, do the progo NM"s charm?
How often does the chariot do discoid?
Anything crazy the nms do that need stunnin?

[Jem]

Did you parse or log anything? I've killed armored in any order never matter cept when i took over 3min. I've only cleared main room as well, never ever opened the side rooms. Were the pulls clean, dindt link chariot or anything did you?

I didn't parse but I did immediately check the log after to make sure. Put it this way, I started the floor with 300TP and every buff available since I knew we needed to be as quick as possible (Ragna DRK/SAM).

It didn't link, none of chariots after that point linked either when killing them.

Like I said it dumbfounded me as my wife has been trioing the zone with MNK as the DD and never had an issue popping HQ and she doesn't even pay attention to what she does in the zone, just merrily kills everything in her way.

[macross]

Maybe it's just 95% chance to get it lol and you got screwd;;

[Cyprias]

About Zhay2, do the progo NM"s charm?
How often does the chariot do discoid?
Anything crazy the nms do that need stunnin?

Haven't done enough ZR2 to see charm, but Poroggo NM's use 2HR and usually end up easier than ZR NM's because of them using less TP Moves and more trying to cast with Manafont up. Don't underestimate their MAB+ though, sometimes they can land some hard nukes.

Discoid happens, but as long as you have Shellra V it's not a big deal. We had 4 on our run and I think it hit us for around 937~ with Shell V? Dies fairly quickly like the other Boss chariots though.

[Jem]

They do charm for what it's worth. Or some of the frogs in there definitely do because I distinctly remember being a frog and maiming people on the only Zhayolm run we did.

[NynJa]

They do single target charm, not that lame as piss chorus

[JetEnduro]

From the 3 bhaf runs i've done for plans in the past 2 days, I've only been able to pop gear NM once.

All runs were as follows:

F1 (East)
Cleared floor

F2 (NW)
Cleared central area + NM
2 pups otw to PLD NM NW.

F3 (East)
MGS past all the gears and kill the 3 in the east room to make rampart pop for final unlocks needed. Killed 4.

F4 (East)
The first time I did bhaf, I didn't notice there were two gears in there until I glanced over at the wiki page which was after I killed on and started running towards the next room. Came back, killed second and it popped.
Aside from this, the main difference between this run and the other two is that I ported up to 4F at just over 1hr in. Other two were 55 and 58 mins.


Maybe it's something stupid like on x days it pops west, and y days east?

[NynJa]

I got bhaf 4fE gear NM to pop today, guess what I did differently?

[16:40:25]Nynja readies Mercy Stroke.
[16:40:26]The Archaic Gear1 hits Nynja for 115 points of damage.
[16:40:26]Nynja uses Trick Attack.
[16:40:26]Nynja hits the Archaic Gear1 for 77 points of damage.
[16:40:27]Nynja hits the Archaic Gear1 for 45 points of damage.
[16:40:28]Kehhiko readies Victory Smite.
[16:40:30]Nynja uses Mercy Stroke.
[16:40:30]The Archaic Gear1 takes 1787 points of damage.
[16:40:31]Nynja defeats the Archaic Gear1.
[16:40:31]You find a piece of alexandrite on the Archaic Gear1.
[16:40:32]Kehhiko defeats the Archaic Gear2.
[16:40:32]You find a piece of alexandrite on the Archaic Gear2.
[16:40:33]Vermy obtains a piece of alexandrite.

my friend's 3/3 now popping it with cleave kills too. Maybe West has a different spawn condition, I dunno. Its still possible they both have to be killed by the same damage method (think abyssea lights) instead of timed...but I'll go with whats worked for me so far.

[Helel]

About Zhay2, do the progo NM"s charm?
How often does the chariot do discoid?
Anything crazy the nms do that need stunnin?

Single target charm only.
Discoid is a regular to move, i.e. he can use it back to back. Survived with three with no problems. I kept stoneskin up on my taru mage.
No stuns needed on anything.
Make sure to give yourself enough time to kill hydras. They will occasionally spam physical shield nonstop until you knock their heads off.

[macross]

Yeah I'm gonna go drk with twilight for it.
Looks like you get no ranged or visible gear either till floor 5 wth... must be easy mobs to kill at least.
Wonder if i should bring a brd or a pup hehe.

[Obsidian]

For Bhaf:

A few unfortunate deaths left us wanting for time, so we skipped all the gears on 3F except for the final two rooms. Warped up at around 65 minutes, killed both gears (first with melee, second died to a Rudra's), no pop. This is the first no pop we've gotten since we started clearing 3F. Tomorrow we intend to clear 3F but wait until 65 minutes to warp up and see if we get it to pop then.

[Protey]

I got bhaf 4fE gear NM to pop today, guess what I did differently?

[16:40:25]Nynja readies Mercy Stroke.
[16:40:26]The Archaic Gear1 hits Nynja for 115 points of damage.
[16:40:26]Nynja uses Trick Attack.
[16:40:26]Nynja hits the Archaic Gear1 for 77 points of damage.
[16:40:27]Nynja hits the Archaic Gear1 for 45 points of damage.
[16:40:28]Kehhiko readies Victory Smite.
[16:40:30]Nynja uses Mercy Stroke.
[16:40:30]The Archaic Gear1 takes 1787 points of damage.
[16:40:31]Nynja defeats the Archaic Gear1.
[16:40:31]You find a piece of alexandrite on the Archaic Gear1.
[16:40:32]Kehhiko defeats the Archaic Gear2.
[16:40:32]You find a piece of alexandrite on the Archaic Gear2.
[16:40:33]Vermy obtains a piece of alexandrite.

my friend's 3/3 now popping it with cleave kills too. Maybe West has a different spawn condition, I dunno. Its still possible they both have to be killed by the same damage method (think abyssea lights) instead of timed...but I'll go with whats worked for me so far.

it is NOT the same damage method. I killed one with light SC, and the other one with just a plain melee hit.

[Radec]

SSR F4E, linked the ramps in the rooms after the old CC room.

Unlinked: 4 gears
Linked: 3 gears + acro

Unlinked: Chariot
Linked: Acro

Total of 3 Acros, if you dragged ramps from room to room could possibly get more.

[Taint]

BR2 Again, no East Gear pop

Flyx2 > Blob > Gobx3 > dahakx2
SW > NW > NM Troll > NW NM Troll
Skipped 3
East 4 - Killed both gears with WSs, Killed them both before the 30min mark (from entry) 2nd one died in 1:04

[Yugl]

Tested NQ Hydra (Martel had tested HQ earlier) and didn't see the normal Damage Type resistances displaying, so I think NMs within Salvage ignore usual weapon damage resistances. Anyone else see this with other NMs?