Salvage II - Slavage Harder

[backstab]

friend wanted me to post this regarding BR II.

he killed both archaic gear on the eastern path on the 4th floor and Archaic gear (nm) didnt pop. was watersday and mellee kill w/o samba active.

didnt kill anything on floor 3.

[Magitek]

I just tested it, LBC doesn't have to be killed to pop NQ cerb on 4th floor BR2. Sneak works for the chariot. As for the run, I managed to get gob and gear NMs today doing almost the exact same thing yesterday.... except on floor 3 I aggroed more than one gear. I think I aggroed one of the three in the second room and one in the 4 intersection room in the middle, so I just trained them to porter when I was close enough to flee. No idea what I'm doing differently to cause gear NM to pop, but I'm making an effort to kill the two as fast as I can regardless. I entered salvage on watersday, but day changed to windsday by the time I got to floor 3.

[Obsidian]

Entered on Windsday, cleared 3F, warped up on Iceday, killed the first with SA Metsu, second one with a counter attack, no gear NM. Will try same damage tomorrow and report back.

[nikia]

I might have missed it if mentioned but wondering If there was any Dat name edits to better assist in new salvage? If so can someone point me in right direction. Thank you.

[Taruking]

As I said in a previous post, there hasn't been a single theory that hasn't been shot down by the account of at least one other person for the pop condition of that Gear on 4F. The only thing we know for sure is that killing (at least one of) the gears is somehow involved. Killing stuff on 3F... time from porting to killing... time to kill... time between kills... killshot type... all have been shot down by one or more accounts. So... unless someone has some totally new ideas, the only thing we really can do is review the old ideas, review the accounts that disproved the ideas, and try to figure out what hasn't been tested yet.

Only done 2 BR runs and haven't got time to check old posts under this thread. The way pathos is unlocked in this zone suggests that in oder to spawn the gear NM, all members need to fully unlock pathos (just like the old toad NM) - will also explain why some group managed to spawn the NM after killing only one archaic gear.

[Lyltia]

Definitely isn't that.

[NynJa]

Its not pathos
One of my dd are always missing magic

[Taruking]

Its not pathos
One of my dd are always missing magic

Was just an observation lol. Kind of make sense if you kill one of the triple gears which happened to unlock magic? Also seems odd that at least one stat pathos will always remain locked after 2nd floor and the only way to fully unlock is to kill triple gears?

[Obsidian]

Was just an observation lol. Kind of make sense if you kill one of the triple gears which happened to unlock magic? Also seems odd that at least one stat pathos will always remain locked after 2nd floor and the only way to fully unlock is to kill triple gears?

After warping up to 3F all you should be missing is STR and INT, which come from the triple gear reinforcements in the last room before the teleporter.

[Slycer]

Entered on Windsday, cleared 3F, warped up on Iceday, killed the first with SA Metsu, second one with a counter attack, no gear NM. Will try same damage tomorrow and report back.

Entered on water, killed on wind, both died from melee strikes, quick kills, within 1 second of each other, ~06:20, east side, no gear NM.

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[Taruking]

After warping up to 3F all you should be missing is STR and INT, which come from the triple gear reinforcements in the last room before the teleporter.

Yeah I noticed that when we did BR yesterday. For those who skip the entire 3F they can still unlock STR and INT on 4F - it just seems odd to have mobs that unlock everything, will definitely go well with the pathos theory.

[Kincard]

It has nothing to do with pathos, as far as I can tell. I always clear one side of 3F, along with the massive amount of pathos the lamps can unlock there's no reason I'd have missing pathos.

[Hitou]

Did Bhaf II again tonight, same path we took last two nights. Cleared all triple gears from the rampart in the big room 3F like we always do. Killed both 4F gears with melee strikes but there was probably like 3 seconds between kills this time. No pop. At this point it just seems totally random or maybe it's supposed to be like Acroliths and it's just bugged. Ended run with like 30 min left if it matters.

[NynJa]

Timed kill X (debunked, has popped on not timed kills)
Pathos X (debunked)
Paired kill type X (debunked)
Speed X (people have zerged em down with no pop and some people have waited to time kill and got it)
Previous floors X (ive mirrored previous runs with altered results, as well as some people skipping 3f while some farm it)
Time in area X (there have been drastically varied reports of time in area where it spawned and didnt spawn)
Time to clear 3f X (see "previous floors")
NM kill counts (people have mirrored identical runs and got no pop)

To consider:
Time to kill from port up?
Were the two linked when originally pulled?

I have no idea what else, nothing has been overly complex as far as plan NM pop goes.

[calinz]

In BR now, will try to pull them separately without linking. Floor 3 completely cleared.

No NM, west side. 2mins38s since porting up till death of both. Pulled separately, killed 1st melee, 2nd with WS. No weather, watersday.

[Protey]

when i kill the 2 gear (east 4f side) i run by one to aggro it and provoke the other. I then tank both at same time. I bring the one i provoked down to 25% and switch to the other one and kill it, then finish off the one that was at 25%. Get the NM everytime. Other people try this and see if they get a no pop?

[Slycer]

Time to kill from port up?

Not that, we had one run where it popped which was considerably slower than one run where it didn't.

[Kincard]

Maybe the same person has to aggro both? I know it's not the same person killing both, since I've tried that before.

[JetEnduro]

Maybe the same person has to aggro both? I know it's not the same person killing both, since I've tried that before.

I aggroed the first one with my main, and reposed (magic aggroed) the 2nd with my mule last night and it popped.

As always, I skip everything in F3 except last room (East). Killed all gears with melee strikes as well as the 4F ones, but that theory seems to be debunked already.

Went in Lightsday, was Dark when I got to 4F.

[calinz]

Another BR:

3rd floor: kill only west side
4th W floor: Aggro'd 1 gear, and other linked to it. No weather, Lightningsday. ~1mins35secs from start of 4th floor till death of both. Killed both within 2 secs of each other. NM pop.