Salvage II - Slavage Harder

[Kincard]

Seriously, fuck this thing. a 60 second PDT in which time it will regen 2% of HP in a timed event is REALLY fucking poor design. I can kill every other boss 3boxing why should this idiot be special and need more?

Eh, I dunno, I think they wanted to encourage you to bring forms of actual magic damage. I don't know if I'd call that bad design. I imagine a SCH or RDM nuking would work wonders.

[Darkmagi]

Late, but not using counterstance on mnk is likely going to be a horrible idea. Unless you're getting one shotted, it ups your kill speed and decreases amount of curing needed by a large amount.

[Arthars]

1 drg(dual box whm) 1 drk(dual box whm) and my thf mule for initial bully + feint + SA for TH and out

i pretty much use apoc on bosses... cos of partial DT- gear and catastrophe caps haste

[Jem]

It isn't really fair to compare 5 chars to 3 though. Not that I think it's bad design either. I just think it's a bad set-up for that NM. With physical damage for DD it's pretty obvious you're going to have issues against a mob that can essentially invincible at will. It's not like Hydra mechanics are new, it has always been capable of being a complete cock.

I mean surely the fact that you can triobox all Neo-Salvage except for 2 mobs with a simplistic set-up is worse design than a mob that has existed in the game for like what? 5 years ish? And if you took a different set-up for Zhayolm you could triobox all Neo-Salvage. IMO that's worse design for a new event in an MMO, especially one which is basically meant to be the main focus for the next few months.

[Protey]

you know you've been spamming BR2 too much when all you get is linen pouch off HQ boss because all members are capped on drops >.>

[NynJa]

I mean surely the fact that you can triobox all Neo-Salvage except for 2 mobs with a simplistic set-up is worse design than a mob that has existed in the game for like what? 5 years ish? And if you took a different set-up for Zhayolm you could triobox all Neo-Salvage. IMO that's worse design for a new event in an MMO, especially one which is basically meant to be the main focus for the next few months.

Eh, I dunno, I think they wanted to encourage you to bring forms of actual magic damage. I don't know if I'd call that bad design. I imagine a SCH or RDM nuking would work wonders.

I think they intended the event to be pretty lowman friendly. You'll generally wind up with about 8 plans per run, needing approx 45 per upgrade.. so you'll need 6 runs per item upgrade. You can upgrade 5 pieces of gear per month on average. If you're going with 6 characters, presuming you're doing 1 piece of gear per char on rotation, after 1 month, someones still gotten nothing. Event longevity and what not, ok, yeah, but I dont think people still trying to gear main jobs come June is exactly their plan. In light of what we know now, I'm pretty sure Salvage II is to be very doable with 3, maybe 4 for extra farming in certain areas.

[detlef]

you know you've been spamming BR2 too much when all you get is linen pouch off HQ boss because all members are capped on drops >.>

Is there any particular reason you aren't storing those 45's?

[macross]

Maybe he doesn't know you can store em on slip #14 lol?
Why not drop one of your monks and bring a drk?
But 2 monks with formless strikes, why isn't it dead super fast anyways? I've killed em with just drk dps in 3-5 min each.
For me khimmy is the easiest boss, then cerb then hydra. Only did ssr once when I zoned in there accidently hehe and didnt get to boss, timed out looking up info and clearing too much stuff that I didn't need to.
Killspeed wise khiimy, hydra, then cerb for me. Can't really die to cerb once you slow him, hydra can still fuck you up though.

I go brd/thf drk/sam rdm/sch if peeps wondered. Khimmy I go brd/whm just incase he gets a fulm off just to be safe.

[NynJa]

20:30:23]Kehhiko uses Formless Strikes.
[20:30:30]Nynja readies Requiescat.
[20:30:32]Vermy starts casting Dia II on the Hydra.
[20:30:33]Kehhiko hits the Hydra for 76 points of damage.
[20:30:33]The Hydra readies Trembling.
[20:30:34]Nynja starts casting Flash on the Hydra.
[20:30:34]Kehhiko hits the Hydra for 58 points of damage.
[20:30:35]Kehhiko's Stoneskin effect wears off.
[20:30:35]Kehhiko's Formless Strikes effect wears off.

Unreliable for the above reason.

Khim and cerb are a joke for me to 3box, cerb is just a huge pussynoodle, and khim isnt a big deal once you realize waltz has a 10'+ distance and can remove para on the whm and cure the dd before they die.

But hydra just fucking trollfaces "lol u cant hurt me neener neener", maybe its just built in such a way that 1h weapons suck balls on it?

I have no opinion on dvergr, the one time i fought it was on day 1 and wasnt expecting near instant cast t5 spells.

[Lyltia]

Yeah the times I went with MNK they can just punch cerb til it dies; DRK definitely needs to wear some DT, though.

Also, I have the same issue as Protey. It's pretty easy to cap on 45s if you spam a zone and get 2~4 drops a day, and I'm collecting 2 of each on 2 characters.

[Arthars]

its not bad you can "cap 45s" cos for some reason since launch till today, i have never seen certain pieces yet

and also im not comparing 3 to 5 man. All im saying is slashing job that can cut off hydra head is better than mnk which seem totally unable to?

before the drg jump on NQ hydra for example, i usually already brought it down to 70ish % and both head down after she finished the rampart

and my thf does nothing except poking every NM once

if u farming solely zhalyom and sometimes time out? or wipe to hydra, then prolly WAR is better if u have no apoc/drk

[Arthars]

just broke head 1 woith 376 crit and immediate another crit for 417 for 2nd head

seem just random :X

also all hits from front

[Jem]

Yeah the times I went with MNK they can just punch cerb til it dies; DRK definitely needs to wear some DT, though.

Also, I have the same issue as Protey. It's pretty easy to cap on 45s if you spam a zone and get 2~4 drops a day, and I'm collecting 2 of each on 2 characters.

Definitely don't need DT on DRK for Cerb. I can count the amount of times I've used DT gear for Cerb on zero hands. And I'm a fairly conservative player (I full-time Hybrid gear in Legion for example). Infernal Scythe lands on it all the time and lasts full duration which massively reduces its output (not that it's bad in the first place)

And yeah I agree it's supposed to be lowman friendly Nynja but being able to triobox it as DD Healer whatever is basically as far as they could take it without making it soloable. The third person is basically there for entry, least it seemed that way when my wife trioboxed it.

[Arthars]

i have yet to see skadi body in bhaf ; ;

[Protey]

Is there any particular reason you aren't storing those 45's?

I am, have gotten multiples. I could just drop the extras, but there are some that I want both HQ and NQ types of.

[Protey]

Definitely don't need DT on DRK for Cerb. I can count the amount of times I've used DT gear for Cerb on zero hands. And I'm a fairly conservative player (I full-time Hybrid gear in Legion for example). Infernal Scythe lands on it all the time and lasts full duration which massively reduces its output (not that it's bad in the first place)

DRK has lower HP than MNK by far. Pray you never have what happened to me when I wasn't wearing HP/DT gear and have him double crit hit you > Lava Spit (or w/e TP move it is that did over 1k damage) all within 2 seconds.

[Slycer]

JP Wiki is specifying a 3/5/7/9 Magic Attack Bonus set bonus for Morrigan's +1 with 2/3/4/5 pieces, so either all the sets aren't the same, we were off with 6 for 3 pieces, or their wiki is wrong.

[Lyltia]

Definitely don't need DT on DRK for Cerb. I can count the amount of times I've used DT gear for Cerb on zero hands. And I'm a fairly conservative player (I full-time Hybrid gear in Legion for example). Infernal Scythe lands on it all the time and lasts full duration which massively reduces its output (not that it's bad in the first place)

And yeah I agree it's supposed to be lowman friendly Nynja but being able to triobox it as DD Healer whatever is basically as far as they could take it without making it soloable. The third person is basically there for entry, least it seemed that way when my wife trioboxed it.

Infernal Scythe, /facedesk. Thanks Jem!

[Slycer]

I think they intended the event to be pretty lowman friendly.

I'd take it a step further and I'd say it's quite unfriendly to larger groups. Kind of a foolish design choice to go back to accumulating enemy drops which forces people to work against each other like in Abyssea (or at least rewards them for doing so) rather than with each other but the requirements are set reasonably enough, I suppose, that if you're patient it won't make a huge difference. You can improve your alexandrite farming with more people, but not enough to make it worthwhile, especially if you're dividing it across the people you bring.

[Vyvian]

I've been MNK tanking the NQ Cerb, and it seems like once it gets below 50%, the biggest danger is actually Sulfurous Breath, which has hit me for 1500 damage in an MDT set (I've been hit for 2k in standard dd gear). Is it possible this is actually considered physical damage, and so I'm actually taking a ton more damage from CS than another DD tank like a sam or drk would take? Should I maybe use PDT gear instead of MDT gear? Or am I really forced to change the RDM to WHM for better barspells. Acheron Flame/GOH isn't even hurting, its just that one breath attack.