Salvage II - Slavage Harder

[Nekradarken]

went and got an Arbuda grip and hasty pinion for more 3/5 usu+1 testing. with 3/5, the grip, and the pinion i get a recast of 51 seconds. For usu haste set values I get the following:

50 - 51.21
51 - 51.15
52 - 51.09
53 - 51.04
54 - 50.98

and from Nekradarken's earlier post, we know it has to be between 52 and 56, this further testing shows it can't be above 53. So that means it is either 52 or 53 / 1024. Strange value for the set.

That's assuming usu head is 50/1024 and feet is 30/1024. They could also be 51/1024 or 31/1024. Any chances that you can test the reraise cooldown when you are weakened?

[Byrthnoth]

Testing the Reraise cooldown while weakened isn't necessarily going to help. Weakness gives 100% Slow, so it doesn't improve your resolution for this test.

Hasty Pinion is 10/1024 or less (not 11)
Arbuda Grip is also 10/1024 or less (not 11)

Also, 51/1024 is very likely.

[Nekradarken]

The JP reported morrigan bonus as 3/5/7/9. With the same analogy, usukane bonus most likely be 3/5/7/9 also.

[Kincard]

So is the 2/5 bonus for Usukane +1 30/1024?

[Jem]

bloodshed drop 4-8 in zhalyom (3 NM dropping 1-2), usually 6-7 cos of 1 NM that only drop bloodshed at 15%ish basis

and only 3-7 in arra (only 1 NM drop 1-2), usually 4 cos of 3 NM that only drop bloodshed at 15%ish basis

Yeah the problem we have is that in the group we have we want Blood + Umbrage. So if we focused solely on Blood, the person wanting Umbrage would get shafted. And if you go the other route to give you more Umbrage you're basically on a par with the far easier Arra.

[pooter01]

If usu bonus goes 30/51/71/91, The gear set I was aiming for may still be viable, even though it doesn't completely cap haste. Was hoping to do 4/5 usu +1 with thaumas body, and toss in windbuffet belt.

at the old values it would cap haste without belt. now assuming it's 71/1024, that puts total haste of that set at 253/1024. So really only missing out on 3/1024 from capped haste. spreadsheets still show it being an improvement even with 2 marches.

Edit: this of course assumes that the spreadsheets values for the individual pieces are accurate. head being 51/1025, legs being 61/1024, and feet being 30/1024.

double edit >.>: Noticed I had embrava on, which was throwing things off a bit. putting new values below.

Qilin:
haste/2march/chaos
old set: 258.2
usu set: 364.148
haste/1march/chaos
old: 264.319
usu: 270.811
haste/chaos
old: 198.425
usu: 199.402

DC Nightmare:
haste/2march/chaos
old set: 544.293
usu set: 578.644
haste/1march/chaos
old: 401.821
usu: 431.52
haste/chaos
old: 304.404
usu: 327.932

Ig'Alima(crap buffs for such a mob):
haste/2march/chaos
old set: 56.688
usu set: 55.009
haste/1march/chaos
old: 40.598
usu: 38.571
haste/chaos
old: 29.037
usu: 28.324

[LidenbokValour]

Whats an ideal set-up with 4 for Zhaylom?

[NynJa]

Common consensus says: DRK WHMorSCH BRD THF

[Arthars]

all zones can clear with ease with alot of time to spare with DD THF WHM

if u can bring a 4th, yea a brd is nice

zhalyom is the shortest zone i would say if ur not farming single alex, 70 mins should clear it....but make sure yo give the entry lamp's feet/hand unlock for thf if u wanna maximise plans cos u dont get access to gear until 5F

many peeps say "TH3 is fine bla bla" but for zhalyom, where umbrage/bloodshed r limited (average 5 a run) any TH helps

bhaflau is diff cos u can easily get average 8 ritualistic so TH "doesnt matter", even w/o TH u can still get 6 ritualistic a run minimum

[Byrthnoth]

I made an excel sheet that makes determining Haste values a little easier. Better use it on anything you're interested in before SE makes all recasts the same within Tiers and our lives get harder!
http://files.bluegartr.com/8dea042e4...cc2d96a197.zip

[nikia]

Not sure if anyone mentioned but the Troll Huntsman can drop 1-3 Primacy plans.

Being lazy and didnt upload a screenshot, I will if needed however.

[Protey]

If usu bonus goes 30/51/71/91, The gear set I was aiming for may still be viable, even though it doesn't completely cap haste. Was hoping to do 4/5 usu +1 with thaumas body, and toss in windbuffet belt.

whether it's 51, 52/1024 or 52, 53/1024 (depending on whether the head is 50 or 51/1024) either way you configure it, the haste value of head hands feet is at least 132 / 1024, doesn't matter if you attribute it to the haste listed on the head or the combined set value. So instead of 3 / 1024 short, you'd be 2 / 1024 short. And we still haven't gotten to take a look at 4/5 usu yet (i could get the body today for 4/5, but i'm holding out to get usu legs from arra. how you guys live through fulmination? my whm was stunned too long for my mnk to survive. suppose going sch instead of whm would help with that better and use embrava + regen5).

[Fake]

Khim hits like a pussy, should be macroing in MDT for fulm and then into PDT until whm can paralyna itself then back to normal. You can also stay 30+ on whm and run in and cure after it tps

[Kincard]

You can also stay 30+ on whm and run in and cure after it tps

This is probably the far safer option because the paralyze on Fulm is really potent, and really annoying. I had self-paralyna paralyzed like 10 times in a row once.

[Protey]

In the 10 seconds from fulm to death, HQ khim did the following:

hit Protey 426
hit Protey 383
hit Protey 397
hit Protey 419

so yea died, cuz he didn't miss a single shot. I wouldn't call those soft hits. will macro in pdt gear next time, kinda panicked first time doing this zone with little time left. is fulm not 40 yalms like on apademak? i have thf/dnc stay out of range and healing waltz the whm.

[Kincard]

is fulm not 40 yalms like on apademak?

For this guy it's 30'.

I don't know how much time you typically end up with, but my group always ends up having like 15 minutes left over even when we're done killing HQ Khim, so the WAR I take usually just wears his DT gear while fighting Khim. You might as well take it slow and steady if you have lots of time to spare if it'll save you any losses.

[NynJa]

Fulm is 30' in Salvage, on NQ and HQ.

Khim - 3' - MNK - 20' - mage - 10' - thf/dnc

as long as your HP was high before it fulmed, you shouldnt die. before stun wears.

[Vyvian]

If usu bonus goes 30/51/71/91, The gear set I was aiming for may still be viable, even though it doesn't completely cap haste. Was hoping to do 4/5 usu +1 with thaumas body, and toss in windbuffet belt.

at the old values it would cap haste without belt. now assuming it's 71/1024, that puts total haste of that set at 253/1024. So really only missing out on 3/1024 from capped haste. spreadsheets still show it being an improvement even with 2 marches.

Edit: this of course assumes that the spreadsheets values for the individual pieces are accurate. head being 51/1025, legs being 61/1024, and feet being 30/1024.

double edit >.>: Noticed I had embrava on, which was throwing things off a bit. putting new values below.

Qilin:
haste/2march/chaos
old set: 258.2
usu set: 364.148
haste/1march/chaos
old: 264.319
usu: 270.811
haste/chaos
old: 198.425
usu: 199.402

DC Nightmare:
haste/2march/chaos
old set: 544.293
usu set: 578.644
haste/1march/chaos
old: 401.821
usu: 431.52
haste/chaos
old: 304.404
usu: 327.932

Ig'Alima(crap buffs for such a mob):
haste/2march/chaos
old set: 56.688
usu set: 55.009
haste/1march/chaos
old: 40.598
usu: 38.571
haste/chaos
old: 29.037
usu: 28.324

I can't get the same numbers when I run it. Hume MNK/WAR RCB for food, 99 spharai. All self buffs (impetus, focus, berserk) are off. Stalwarts is off.
My old set, representing keeping black belt, is Usu+1 hat, thaumas body, melee+2 gloves, tantra+2 tantra+2

Out of interest, I also tried using Usu+1 hands in the black belt set, and the BB set is still showing better until you fight Qilin with less than 2 marches, then they finally lose out to 4/5 usu as content difficulty increases from there.

My numbers (with the melee gloves+2 old set)
Qilin
Haste/2 March/Chaos(35%)
Old: 313.8
New: 298.6

Haste/1 March/Chaos(35%)
Old: 228.6
New: 218.8

Haste/Chaos(35%)
Old: 169.8
New: 161.7

DC Nightmare:
Haste/Chaos
Old: 298.0
New: 300.1

Haste/1March/Chaos
Old: 394.7
New: 396.4

Haste/2March/Chaos
Old: 530.8
New: 529.8

Ig-alima
Haste/2march/chaos
old: 47.25
new: 42.20

Haste/1march/chaos
old: 32.56
New: 29.41

haste/chaos
old: 23.46
new: 20.50

[Helel]

Have you tried going the other way, and seeing if bloodshed counts are similar?

You have a better chance at getting more bloods by going south because the mamool on the fifth floor has a high chance of dropping 2. You'll get umbrage from the gear when you open the door on the third floor, with a low chance of blood, but because the mamool always drops a blood on the fifth floor, it's the exact same amount of blood that you would get by going north. However, because he can drop two, you have a 50% (ffxidb) chance of getting 1 more blood than you would by going north. It's actually higher than that because the umbrage gear on 3rd can drop a blood as well. Then you'd end up with two more bloods than the north route.

So basically:

North = 2-6 umbrage; 4-7 bloods
South = 2-4 umbrage; 4-8 bloods

Numbers may be incorrect, but south is definitely better for bloods.

[Helel]

I don't think this was known, but we just did ZR--yay no skadi pants once again, for the past 2-3 weeks--but the gears on the fourth floor can drop cotton purses. These are the ones that pop after clearing the pugils/diremite. It makes ZR a decent zone to farm in I suppose, if you get lucky. Not that it makes a huge difference, but I think they are all guaranteed to drop at least 1 alex as well.

http://s14.postimage.org/dmjbxjktt/gear_drops.jpg

Edit: Oh yeah, HQ hydra attempted to use nerve gas @44%. Never seen that before.