Salvage II - Slavage Harder

[NynJa]

Also, the Ramparts have some strange aggro mechanism. I've ran through with spectraljig without any problems on 2f-3f, even half of 4f, even in yellow hp...then one rampart on 4f aggroed me through jig for no reason. Why, I dunno

[Churchill]

prob the one that pops nq boss

[mdkuser]

to those who enter with more than 2 DDS in arrapago, try skillchains on 5F ramparts. There has to be a NM of 5th floor. Killing all 4 ramparts (diaga-ing the reinforcements on BRD) didnt pop any NM. SOlo on mnk they start using reinforcement at 20% HP left or something so skillchains one-shot them.

[NynJa]

it was one of the last ramparts, before the acro/chari/chari room, and people have popped dvergr without clearing that room, so I think thats unlikely. But it'll be thrown as consideration (trigger rampart is true sound)

[Reg]

in SSR II on 4th floor we only killed the first and second rampart and then moved all the way to the Dvegr pop(dodging everything) and after opening the door it just popped so really no idea what conditions it could be

[Lyltia]

In regards to your earlier question Nynja, we killed 20 Ramparts on that run, 20th being the triple Chariot 4F rampart.

[Taint]

Did SSR:

NQ chair dropped marduk 45
Did first 3 Rooms, then middle Rampart in big room, then 2 rampart in 5th room, aggroed ramp in 6th room (didn't kill),NQ chair popped in 7th.

HQ chair dropped Usu feet,body 45 and Linen

[NynJa]

How many ramparts did you kill over the run? Right now were suspecting its a certain number (odd theory, but like I said, NM kill counts is definitely out, killing LBC is most likely out as well, unless theres a different trigger if you go west or east on 3f).

[Taint]

Lots, not sure on the count. Cleared 1st floor, 2nd floor up until the last room, cleared 3rd floor, 4th I posted.

[Kidnoftle]

to those who enter with more than 2 DDS in arrapago, try skillchains on 5F ramparts. There has to be a NM of 5th floor. Killing all 4 ramparts (diaga-ing the reinforcements on BRD) didnt pop any NM. SOlo on mnk they start using reinforcement at 20% HP left or something so skillchains one-shot them.

We tried today, unfortunately we messed up one of the ramps so can't confirm if its kill before tp moves, but interestingly the smn tp move isn't its only tp move. Also, cleared lamia room on 4f(s) and no pop for nm so idk.

[NynJa]

Sounds like more than 16 easily?

[Terrestrialrage]

Duo'd AR2 today, results:

First floor killed some stuff and ported, nothing special to report.
Second floor opened door looking for gears and they werent up. Went back to spawn room and killed 2 leeches -> 2 lamia and the gears spawned. Dropped 1x Bloodshed Plans. Assuming lamia kills to be spawn mechanism.
Third floor killed Acrolith and it dropped 1x Skadi plans. Then killed the single gear on the north side and it spawned a single gear in the teleporter room up, dropped 1x Bloodshed Plans.
Fourth Floor killed Acroliths, spawned boss, dropped 1x Skadi Plans.
Fifth Floor killed some gears and ported up, nothing to report.
Sixth Floor killed the main room chariots + Armored Chariot. Dropped nothing. Fought rampart, used Reinforcements first but much to my dismay it spawned another chariot. Fought it more and reinforcements wasnt used again, ported up.
Seventh Floor NQ Khim, dropped Usu Hands 45 + Skadi Mask 45.

End.

[Karbuncle]

In regards to SSR II:

Reviewing the Logs, We realized our WHM Aggroed 1 Rampart on Floor 4. The one in the MIddle Which spawned 3 Chariots. We killed all 4 of the Enemies on that floor. Since most if not all Accounts with the NQ Dvergr report killing at least i assume this Rampart, Its safe to say it may be the required pop for it.

[Churchill]

We didn't kill any rampart quickly in our run.

ZR
Nearly every rampart we let pop at least 2 reinforcements, if not more. The final rampart on 4F which spawned the NQ Hydra popped it first and nothing else. Byrth was fucking with ramparts while we cleared gears except for the last rampart.

[Arthars]

Are there both reports of people killing AND NOT killing the "true sound" rampart and NQ chair pop?

seem people who popped him are people who skipped something, and prolly this true sound huge aggro range rampart (since i assume must people kill anything that aggro if they have time left) is the "trigger" to pop NQ chair if kept alive after opening door to 7th rampart

i'll check everyone's findings again brb

[NynJa]

My group ran right through the rampart that pops 3 chariots and it didnt aggro, its not true sound/sight.

[Kincard]

Did BR2.

F1: West Path
First Room, Wamouracampa, surprisingly strong for a F1 monster, lots of HP, 80 damage a hit.
Unlocked Ear/Ring, Head/Neck, and Back/Waist.

Further in there was another Wamouracampa, plus Wamouras in the Mad Bomber Rooms.
Wamouras unlocked Leg/Foot, Body, Hand.

Further in, Moblin Poniardman in the rooms usually with trolls and bifrons. 2 Total, unlock weapon, leg/feet, ranged.

Killing both spawns Silent Smotherer Silak that drops Tutelary Plans.

Center Room before warp: Dahak, unlocks HP/MP

Floor 2: Lamp has lots of charges (like 80+)
Trolls in the hallways of the central ring
SE: THF, DEX SJ JA
NE: RDM, SJ Magic MND
NW: PLD, VIT SJ Magic
SW: RNG, JA AGI (probably ranged too but everyone had that unlocked at this point)

Went west path. Troll Engraver MNK, another one up north this path. Unlocks JA and CHR.

Final Room before warp, Troll Guardian PLD NM, drops Ritualistic plans.

Floor 3 NW: First room, 2x gear, second room, 3x gear. Center-North is 6x gear, killing all didn't pop anything.

Middle room: 2x gear.

West: 3x Gear in first room, 3x gear in Westernmost room before warp. Killing gears spawns Rampart which Reinforcements for many Tri-gears (Like 7 or 8). Killing all tri-gears didn't pop anything more.

Alex drop rate on single gears is awful, trigears seem to drop 1 pretty often.

Floor 4 West:
First room where teleporting gears normally spawn: 2x Trigears.
Center room of west: Long Bowed Chariot. Did use homing missile to put everyone at low HP.
North: Acrolith in first room, Acrolith in second room. Killing both spawned a stronger Acrolith that drops Tutelary plans.

Floor 5:
Rampart that disappears after spawning Cerberus. Didn't get a Linen, the bastard. Got Idi's Mask.

He seems to get a lot sturdier at lower HP. Magma Hoplon is gay.

[Arthars]

according to people who went in, theres 1 which aggro true sound tho, and taint's run he aggroed and skipped 1, so i assume the last (6th) rampart b4 the door is the true sound?

NQ bosses rampart DOES NOT AGGRO afaik. U have to attack it till it call for reinforcements or it pops after specific time. However in this rare case, people reported that chairman was there as soon as they opened door

The middle rampart which spawns 3 chariots seem unrelated given that some people popped NQ chair and some didnt after clearing them

Which leads me to believe that you have to:
1. Clr extremely fast and it pop (rampart or upon opening door?)
2. Open the door asap even if u aggro anything since theres reported 1 true sound rampart you couldnt avoid to cockblock you

prolly time related for 4F

11.5 hrs to new permit for me boooooo

Lots, not sure on the count. Cleared 1st floor, 2nd floor up until the last room, cleared 3rd floor, 4th I posted.

According to multiple people struggling on time in SSR, i assume taint grp is more than 3 man and kills fast ;o
I will try my best to replicate this with 3 man and hope i got enough time to that point, and also HOPE that chair doesnt pop so we can near confirm its time based

[Kidnoftle]

Also in AR there is a Chigoe NM that spawns in one of the wings (he pops at the top of the wing and walks towards the center), he is spawned/targetable by clearing the whole wing that he is spawned in. Double also, so you can get a nq boss on the final floor if you don't kill it on the preceding floor? As to Lin. drop rate, it seems to be very high; most of my friends have reported going 2/2 on their runs for linen (all fought HQ bosses tho)

[NynJa]

Well the rampart I aggroed was completely avoidable, I just ran into it cause I was typing

Double also, so you can get a nq boss on the final floor if you don't kill it on the preceding floor?

Someone reported that if you aggro the rampart with NQ boss and port up, you get HQ boss.