Salvage II - Slavage Harder

**Darkmagi** · 2013-02-03 02:45

I'll just keep at it then, just wanted to make sure I wasn't going crazy.

**Arthars** · 2013-02-03 02:50

Originally Posted by Arthars

I always able to break NQ head with like 3k damage dealed over short amount of time, like 3-5 sec? with brd songs and buffs up

as for HQ, he seems to have higher threshold in the region of 3-5k dealt in short time. I usually breaks head when i open sekkanoki catas > catas > darkness and then move to 2nd head and try to do the same (without sekkanoki for 2nd head but with embrava and march i sometimes able to pull off a darkness)

it may also be totally random tho but i dont have problems breaking its first head. 2nd head on HQ depends on my luck on TP to get darkness off w/o sekkanoki and/or he dont use shield in between and totally screwed my TP up

Im uploading a video i just did ZR 5 mins ago, didnt chop off both tho, but you can roughly see my idea

as for NQ i always break both w/o problem with a single catas and some auto attacks between catas in the short window, but then again, i broke NQ head off before on first hit 1000 damage crit too

PS. not necessary crit hit needed as you can see from my upcoming video, also i did ZR with drg and thf before so need not be slashing too. I believe its just a mechanic of luck, or burst damage in short time. Direction you attack might affect the success rate too (my personal placebo effect)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K5eZ...ature=youtu.be

video should be up soon its about 70ish %... gotta grab dinner now O_O

Magitek · 2013-02-03 02:59

I've been spamming the East route for awhile until I capped Usu plans on my main, and I can say I've gotten multiples of almost every 45 listed in the wiki DB (With the exception only 1 Morrigan body, 0 Ares legs, and only 1 Skadi body 45s). Lately, I've been getting nothing but the Hara-ates. In fact, today I got two in one run off NQ/HQ, and then one off HQ today in a second run. I've gotten my 4th or 5th Skadi feet so far as well. I'm spamming West path now until I cap Marduk plans on mule, then it's off to farm Primacy/Umbrages which I'm not looking forward to lol. I can't really say if the path you take affects boss drop rates since I also don't keep record of my drops, other than marking which of my 3 characters have which 45 >_>. (I've tossed tons of Ares head and feet / Hara-ates / and Marduk hands, which I seem to get the most of in my time in BR2).

Originally Posted by Darkmagi

Yeah, I know it's probably unlikely, just kind of insane to have done BR enough to accumulate enough pages to finish usu set and an NQ piece without having seen a single 45 body. Especially considering that I have seen somewhere around 7 Neit coats, and that has half the drop rate as genta hara-ate.

Tell me your secrets D:

**Obsidian** · 2013-02-03 04:20

Originally Posted by Magitek

Tell me your secrets D:

Kill Cerberus
???
Floor umpteenth Neit's coat.

**calinz** · 2013-02-03 05:43

Has anyone figured out the exact time limit for the gob kill to spawn the gob NM in BR II?

We engaged both at the same time yesterday by accident, and it didn't pop. Didn't check time though.

**Hitou** · 2013-02-03 06:11

I've never seen the gob NM not spawn in all the runs of BR II I've done. My group just kills the one in the first room then move on to the next room and kill that one, and the NM pops every time. If it's tied to a time limit I don't know what it would be, maybe time from opening each door. It's certainly not time between each gob. This is on the east path mind you.

Magitek · 2013-02-03 06:39

I haven't had any problems spawning Silent Smotherer yet, but the times I've failed to spawn Throat Tearer was probably due to the fact I've been killing the second armsman (the one in TTT's room) kinda slow, from the point of engaging it. Sometimes you get shitty unlocks from initial rune and the ones you get from mobs goes to your BRD who doesn't have spellcasting unlocked >(. It's not the time from opening door and first gob doesn't have to be killed, that's for certain. If I had to guess, it would be somewhere in between 5-6 minutes of engaging the second gob?

**calinz** · 2013-02-03 06:55

It's definitely tied to the time to kill since engaging. We also have no issues spawning the NM if we kill them separately. But RDM dualboxing THF wasn't paying attention last night and engaged the 2nd gob while I was still on the first. By the time we killed both at least 5 mins had passed. Nothing spawned.

**Slycer** · 2013-02-03 12:59

You do not need to kill the first Goblin to pop Throat Tearer, and I assume the same holds true for Silent Smotherer. If there is a time requirement, it's likely related to the time between opening the door ahead of the two goblins and killing the second goblin (in the large room). There's really no reason to ever kill the goblin in the first room anyway, it's just a waste of time. Also, I agree that it is a time requirement (albeit a very lenient one) - the two times out of many that I haven't popped it were both very slow kills because someone was either dead or weakened because of something stupid.

**Protey** · 2013-02-03 13:28

i can confirm, gotten hara-ate off east side a few times

**Toth** · 2013-02-03 15:40

So it's been a while since the strategies have been found so let me ask. How many Ritualistic plans can you get in a run? I need like 100 for my usukane +1 and I was wondering what kind of commitment to look toward...

**mdkuser** · 2013-02-03 15:48

at least 6, maximum 10.

**macross** · 2013-02-03 16:34

I dunno about breaking heads, I do 4-5k resolutions and it doesn't chop em off, gotta be some luck to it. Scourge to reso does light too, maybe ill try that and see if SC helps break it.

As for drops, random is random. My first 2 kills I got 3 skadi feet hehe. Maybe it uses voidwatch luck, and is tied to your IP what you get.

**Xilk** · 2013-02-03 17:25

Originally Posted by macross

I dunno about breaking heads, I do 4-5k resolutions and it doesn't chop em off, gotta be some luck to it. Scourge to reso does light too, maybe ill try that and see if SC helps break it.

As for drops, random is random. My first 2 kills I got 3 skadi feet hehe. Maybe it uses voidwatch luck, and is tied to your IP what you get.

My understanding is that there is a % chance a head will come off w/ a crit hit.
Therefore resolution will never knock a head off because it cannot crit.

**Lyltia** · 2013-02-03 17:55

Both Moblin 1F Bhaflau NMs are tied to killspeed of 2nd Moblin (in big room) only. I believe it's kill within 3 minutes to pop, been awhile since it mattered. Pretty much impossible to miss it unless you pull it and don't kill it for whatever reason.

**Arthars** · 2013-02-04 00:41

Originally Posted by Xilk

My understanding is that there is a % chance a head will come off w/ a crit hit.
Therefore resolution will never knock a head off because it cannot crit.

if u see my video, i did not crit any on my opening and it breaks off catastrophe/darkness sc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K5eZ...ature=youtu.be

crit hit and slashing only theory has been debunk, since i mentioned before i did with thf and drg and still got head off with piercing jobs onry

i believe position does matter, if that head's move can hit you, u can break that head

eg. if u stand at the opposite of a certain breathe, and it doesnt hit you, you cant break that head at where ur standing

**Helel** · 2013-02-04 16:35

Just want to clarify: standing anywhere in front of the mob will allow you to break any of the heads. You don't need to be right in front of it to break it. The left one (if facing it) always dies first for us, and then the right. I'm assuming that's always the case based on how many hydras we've killed.

I've also broken a head with kaustra. Seems like any type of damage can break it.

**suji** · 2013-02-04 19:20

Originally Posted by Darkmagi

Kaustra resisted on seething cerberus quite heavily, so I don't think it's weak to dark.

I have some Kaustra numbers, maybe these will be helpful:

Spoiler: show

Eyeballing, looks like Cerberus is 1/2 resist and Dverger is full resist. We don't bother with it on Dvergr anymore for obvious reasons.

**Protey** · 2013-02-05 23:45

marduk's tiara +1 gives an additional 1 HP/tic for Regen 1 and 2, 2 HP/tic for Regen 3, and 3 HP/tic for Regen 4. updating wiki.

**cdgreg** · 2013-02-06 08:27

What is the ideal merit setup for a salvage-2 only MNK?

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