Salvage II - Slavage Harder

**Slycer** · 2013-02-09 02:42

Originally Posted by Radec

Primacy - SSR:
West(Doomed)
Center(QQTHF)
Center(FomorMNK)
East(FomorTHF, HUGE PAIN, use 30min foods so can sushi for this)
South(Orobon, probably have to pull both E and N 3x nq-orobon lamp if weather causing large links)
E/W(LAC) = 6x 100% plans, up to 11 if you get everything possible to doubledrop.

I've done all those 6 + NQ + HQ as mnk/thf+rdm, but it's pretty down to the wire, had ~80s left. I like rdm better than whm for phalanx2 early and more options to sleep gears when popping lac later on.

To add on/elaborate... Fomor THF NM is gravity-able... although THF should have Resist Grav trait, I've never once had that mob "Resist!" Helps to kite around when you need to catch up on healing or when it PDs since you can't do anything at that point anyway. The Orobon NM can be pulled alone even if everything links. Open the door before you pull, pull the rampart, pull all the way through and past the middle room to either side (towards LAC room). The Orobon NM will deaggro at the door that leads out of the middle room and you can just grab it again (anything that linked will have deaggroed even further back). Also, while 11 plans is possible, it won't happen. I'd say the median run is 7 plans and the average is probably 7.5-ish.

**Yugl** · 2013-02-09 03:16

Do you sleep the rampart before that or just aggro the N+NM one and run?

**Xilk** · 2013-02-09 08:59

Originally Posted by Protey

you can't get full clear on 1f unless you get body unlock in chest... no mobs on 1f drop body.

there is no way you are going to get 3x +1 armor in a week (maybe if you have several characters and send plans to yourself, but i don't think you were talking about that). though you just said armor, you could have meant the 45s, but one can easily get more than 3 in a week unless you are really bad at killing the bosses. maybe you meant the nq armor upgrades... though i don't know why you'd want most of them... in that case yes 3x a week are doable assuming you're getting at least 6 plans a day (though AR2 has shown in my experience not to always give that many, it doesn't like to double drop very often even with TH8+).

Wow, let me clarify, since there is obviously some confusion on perspectives. By "fully unlocked" I mean all the unlocks which are possible on the floor... Since there are no stat unlocks until 3rd floor,obviously its not possible to get all pathos unlocked at that point. In fact you always miss 2x stats in arrapago no matter what.

Also, it takes about a week's worth of runs, average to complete a +1 armor. 45 plans average and averaging 6 or 7 plans per run with a group of at least 3. When I was counting at least 15 plans/day, I'm obviously counting for the whole groups advancement, not the individual. You can have a minimum of 3x ppl go together and get and get as many as 8 umbrage plans in a day, or you can work together to let each person solo it for at least 5x plans per player, per day (15 plans).

Unlike many players in BG, I'm not paying for 2 or 3 accounts all the time. I organize equitable events for LS members who are participating, so I consider the needs of each member. And if you are taking turns on whose arms you are comlpleting, it takes 3~5 weeks for your turn to come back around.

This method gets you a piece almost every week. For each person.

**Protey** · 2013-02-09 10:51

Originally Posted by Xilk

or you can work together to let each person solo it for at least 5x plans per player, per day (15 plans).

this is a contradictory statement. how can you work together yet be solo?

**Xilk** · 2013-02-09 11:18

Originally Posted by Protey

this is a contradictory statement. how can you work together yet be solo?

you have to cooperate together in order to enter salvage solo...
Did someone piss in your cheerios this morning?

**Protey** · 2013-02-09 12:10

Originally Posted by Xilk

you have to cooperate together in order to enter salvage solo...
Did someone piss in your cheerios this morning?

no, you didn't explain what you were doing to clarity. it is the onus on the communicator to transfer knowledge effectively, not on the receiver. i pointed out the part in your statement that did not make sense to me, and i asked for clarity. you are the only one that seems to be involving emotion.

**cdgreg** · 2013-02-09 13:26

Thanks for all the advice

**Kamil** · 2013-02-10 00:26

Can you get nms from both paths of a floor? I.E. Arrapago floor 3 has east/west ways with nms in each side, can I get one side's NMs then go to the other and still get the nms?

**Radec** · 2013-02-10 00:38

Originally Posted by Kamil

Can you get nms from both paths of a floor? I.E. Arrapago floor 3 has east/west ways with nms in each side, can I get one side's NMs then go to the other and still get the nms?

Typically no... arra f3 though you can get the acrolith and then have to choose between e or w. Anything listed as center can always get. E W or N S choices are 1 or the other.

**Protey** · 2013-02-10 02:11

Originally Posted by Kamil

Can you get nms from both paths of a floor? I.E. Arrapago floor 3 has east/west ways with nms in each side, can I get one side's NMs then go to the other and still get the nms?

think of 3f arrapago this way: there is acrolith NM on east side, but it is in an open area and is already up with no pop conditions. The other NM you can get is behind the closed door of either the North or South side. By opening one door, the other door becomes sealed. so while there are 3 NMs on 3f arrapago, only 2 are accessible.

**Limlight** · 2013-02-13 21:07

best zone/path for farming bloodshed? I keep going back and forth on zhay/ara

**macross** · 2013-02-14 01:01

zhay will get you the most bloodshed, but zhay is the gayest/hardest zone.

**Helel** · 2013-02-14 01:14

ZR south for bloodshed.

Can confirm that NQ khim can use fulmination over 25%. He used it around 26-27. It's probably <33%. Screwed me up because I wasn't ready to move my SCH out of range, nor was I ready to stun it, but survived nonetheless.

**NynJa** · 2013-02-14 01:34

has done it at 50% for me

**Arthars** · 2013-02-14 06:00

seen below 50% as well

**Helel** · 2013-02-14 14:38

The frequency must increase as his hp drops. It was the first time, after many many runs, I've ever seen him use it above 25%. It might be time based too. I know once he's at low hp he can spam it like crazy. It's not uncommon to see 3 of them in a row. Only reason I mentioned it is I saw wiki said <25%.

**Protey** · 2013-02-14 19:09

i've seen him do fulm 3x in a run, i've seen him do it 0x. luck of the draw cuz i kill same kill speed every time. and yes, most definitely can be used up to 50% hp

**Cairthenn** · 2013-02-14 19:38

Originally Posted by Helel

The frequency must increase as his hp drops. It was the first time, after many many runs, I've ever seen him use it above 25%. It might be time based too. I know once he's at low hp he can spam it like crazy. It's not uncommon to see 3 of them in a row. Only reason I mentioned it is I saw wiki said <25%.

The frequency of TP moves in general increases below 25%; anything aside from that is a matter of statistics.

**Helel** · 2013-02-15 01:24

I meant the chance increases, but who knows. Today he used it at 32 and never again. <50% would fall in line with all the other bosses. I've seen hydra use nerve gas at 46%.

**Slycer** · 2013-02-15 11:49

I'm fairly confident I've never seen Cerberus (NQ) use GoH over 25% HP.

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