Salvage II - Slavage Harder

[Slycer]

Sorry one more questions. For Bhalfau Rem II 4th floor, does the 3 gears have to be defeated after opening the door within 2 mins, or can you defeat 2 first then open the door and then defeat the last for cerberus to spawn?

All three gears are behind the door - if you're suggesting clipping through the door, as Obsidian said above, the gears don't spawn until you open the door. You can actually see them spawn when you open it, and they won't aggro or link for a few seconds when you go into the room, like any mob that just spawned.

[Kincard]

If you're on a job that has enemy dots for the radar you'll see them spawn too (RNG/NIN/THF/etc)

[Arthars]

Then in the start should the Subjob go to SCH instead of the main DD?

yes. I been doing with drk/thf + sch/rdm

first sj goes to rdm, took about 65 - 70min a run

still average 8 ritualistic a run not bad tbh considering dont have to control 3 IDs

[damet]

We are having hard time killing Cerb in Bhalfua II. We are WAR THF SCH. We keep losing to Cerb because or SCH runs out of MP and Cerb's PDT. Any suggestions? Or do we need a Mura Sam or Apoc DRK?

[Fake]

You don't need either but they will make the fight considerably faster (as will mnk with formless strikes). A good sch + war with PDT and seigan shouldn't be running out of mp, if the thf is meleeing full time that will drain mp a lot faster so I'd suggest keeping it off when you drop below a certain threshold. Having the thf change to brd (or level brd and get it basic gear in less than a week without too much effort) and its easymode.

[TheDangerousDave]

You don't need either but they will make the fight considerably faster (as will mnk with formless strikes). A good sch + war with PDT and seigan shouldn't be running out of mp, if the thf is meleeing full time that will drain mp a lot faster so I'd suggest keeping it off when you drop below a certain threshold. Having the thf change to brd (or level brd and get it basic gear in less than a week without too much effort) and its easymode.

Are you suggesting going with no TH or the BRD sub THF for at least some?

[LidenbokValour]

TH is trivial for 45/25 farming honestly so subbing THF should suffice especially if its between a win or lose. I would only be anal about a THF for 35 and page farming honestly.

Looking above, arthas averages nicely on pages with /THF but I just go THF and let my BST friend pummel through page NMs, extra chance at cotten and sometimes double linen is nice

[TheDangerousDave]

Oh, are 45s 100% drop on bosses? and 2nd slot? I should be 5/5 usu 75 soon and starting salvage II so I dunno.

[Darkmagi]

We are having hard time killing Cerb in Bhalfua II. We are WAR THF SCH. We keep losing to Cerb because or SCH runs out of MP and Cerb's PDT. Any suggestions? Or do we need a Mura Sam or Apoc DRK?

As I posted before, using requiscat on war will make the fight a lot faster once the PDT gets too high. If you insist on using WAR anyways.

[Byrthnoth]

One of the pieces is a 100% drop every kill. TH might affect:
1) The ~10% plan drop rates on the way up / non-100% multi-drops
2) The second armor slot off NQ and HQ bosses
3) Linens off NQ bosses
4) Cottons off NMs, Acroliths, etc.
5) Non-100% Alexandrite off Gear(s)

So a run without TH is guaranteed to get you (minimum):
* 5 Plans (I think?), 1 Linen + a few forced singles, and 2 Armors.

Assuming people on ffxidb run with an average of TH2, TH2 should get you on average:
* 7 Plans (ish?), 1.1 Linens, a few forced singles, 2.6 Armors, and ~1 cotton purse

That's comparing the minimum and the average though. You can see how TH increases run efficiency by maybe 20%, but it's hardly essential.

[TheDangerousDave]

I guess if you were tri-boxing and getting 100% plans it matters less, the difference between 7 and 9 days to complete a piece, but if you have two people needing the same plans and splitting them then it's the difference between 12 and 18 days to complete a piece which makes the TH far more appealing.

[Byrthnoth]

I tribox with WHM/THF, BRD/WHM (or /BLM), DNC/NIN. I've spammed Arrapago v2 and Bhaflau v2 this way without any issues.

[Fake]

I tribox with WHM/THF, BRD/WHM (or /BLM), DNC/NIN. I've spammed Arrapago v2 and Bhaflau v2 this way without any issues.

I also now tribox,similar setup sam/war whm/blm and brd/thf. If you're taking 4 then bring a thf main but I find the runs far more relaxing with brd over thf in 3rd spot (and faster).

[Helel]

We get around 50 singe alexandrite in ARII for killing all gears/ramparts/chariots with THF. Triple gears are guaranteed to drop at least one, but can double drop. Single gears have a low chance at dropping one. Ramparts and chariots can double drop. Overall though, a well-geared THF is a very effective DD in salvage due to the piercing bonus vs gears. I guess it depends on your group, and if you even have time to kill any gears at all (other than for unlocks), but there's certainly no harm in bringing one, or even much of a benefit in bringing another job, assuming the THF is well-geared. I can understand if you're triboxing, it's much easier to just cast songs on a BRD, but otherwise, I would definitely bring a THF.

[Darkmagi]

Yeah I'm pretty sure the not using thf thing is mostly related to trioboxing. There is absolutely no reason to not use a thf if you're going with more than 1 real person though(assuming access to a healer mule)

[TheDangerousDave]

How much HP do gears in Salvage 2 have compared to old salvage? I love dropping them with Exten>Shijin in 75 salvage but I guess it'll take more than that for 99 Salvage?

[Byrthnoth]

Naw, Exent -> Shijin should still work. I overkill them with Evisceration -> Pyrrhic Kleos most of the time.

[Odin'sLaw]

How much HP do gears in Salvage 2 have compared to old salvage? I love dropping them with Exten>Shijin in 75 salvage but I guess it'll take more than that for 99 Salvage?

single have around 4000-4.5k Gears have about 6-8k from weapon skill damage i have been seeing

[macross]

What spell sets are you using on blu? I might try out for shits and giggles, maybe will get me back to doing salv again.

[Helel]

Usual spells for the most part, DW, double attack, refresh, etc. A few none traditional ones would be

whirl of rage: good for taking down large groups of mobs, obviously. In AR and ZR I round up all of the mobs on the first floor (after locating chigoe) and spam this until they are all dead. I use azure lore here as it will be up by the time I reach the boss.

benthic: very effective at taking down groups of gears quickly as it's piercing and conal. Good combo is CDC > benthic with a bunch of gears lined up. SC will only activate on the targeted mob, but CA will still increase the damage dealt to the other gears by quite a bit.

dream flower: self-explanatory

cocoon: ""

sudden lunge/fantod

conserve mp spells

amorphic: piercing, also darkness SC with CDC.

temporal shift: stun pyric bulwark. I don't use it in any other zone.

treasure hunter? if you're triboxing this might be a good idea.

UL useful spells: Gates of Hades. Coupled with whirl of rage, you can kill off a group of mobs very quickly. Same goes for Thunderbolt.