So how about that Connecticut Elementary School Shooting; Troll at Your Own Risk

[Seraph]

I'm not exactly pro-gun, I do not own any guns, I am just amused by the shitty threat assessment of apparently many people. Someone asked for stats, I went and dug them up to make a point. You can get butthurt all you want, the numbers are the numbers. Should we ban cars? I would say certainly not. Should we have speed limits and safety rules and try to make sure that only qualified individuals are using them if they choose to use them due to the risks they pose? Sounds good to me. I am not sure how that same line of thought doesn't apply to gun control, or really control of anything useful that is also dangerous.

[archibaldcrane]

Your response?

Cars are worth it, guns are not.

And I love guns.

[chazzyphizzle]

are you...serious?

[archibaldcrane]

I am not sure how that same line of thought doesn't apply to gun control

Because the constitution prohibits us from making the same types of common sense regulations regarding guns as they do regarding cars.

[Seraph]

Cars are worth it, guns are not.

And I love guns.

Then we just argue about how much of a utility gain (and how to weigh some gains against others) we require to ignore a human death and we will get nowhere really fast since there is just no realistic way in my mind to even go about doing that.

[Cyn]

Because automobiles are necessary to make the world run.

Guns in the hands of civilians, are not.

Not to mention that he's comparing total automobile related fatalities with firearm homicides. Either include the accidental deaths and suicides from guns in the figure or compare murder via vehicle vs firearm and then compare it with how many people own either.

But either way, comparing a weapon to a means of transportation is pretty silly.

[ronin sparthos]

Maybe the pro-gun movement wants to divert attention away from itself, so it's hoping people blame vid games instead. BG, how will you respond to this?

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...ps42ca6ad9.gif

Naturally.

[Judai]

might have missed it being posted already but here you go;

6th Grader brings unloaded gun to school, claims parents gave it to him for protection in wake of Sandy Hook shooting.

http://fox13now.com/2012/12/17/west-...gun-to-school/

KEARNS, Utah – A 6th grade student brought an unloaded handgun to West Kearns Elementary School Monday.

The 11-year-old boy allegedly told other students his parents encouraged him to bring a gun to school for protection following the shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut on Friday.

The boy reportedly pulled the gun, a .22-caliber pistol, out of his backpack during recess Monday morning.

“At recess, he pointed a gun to my head and said he was going to kill me,” said Isabel Rios, one of the boy’s fellow 6th grade students.

Granite School District officials say students didn’t notify teachers about the weapon until 3 p.m.

“Once the teacher knew there was a weapon in the classroom, the student was apprehended in 30 to 45 seconds and immediately brought down to the office and the police were on site within five to 10 minutes,” said Granite School District Spokesman Ben Horsley.

Granite School District sent a pre-recorded message via telephone to the parents of West Kearns Elementary students at 5:30 p.m. By then, some of those parents had already heard about the incident from their children.

“There was no lockdown. No one was called. Nothing was done. And then we had to hear it from our kids,” said John Klaus, the father of a student at West Kearns Elementary.

School administrators said they didn’t lock the school down because the gun was taken into possession quickly and they felt a lockdown would have scared the students.

On Tuesday, some parents decided to keep their children home from school to keep them out of harms way.

“There are some individuals that have chosen to keep their kids home from school [Tuesday] and that’s very understandable. We are going to be working with those families, making sure they are comfortable with the steps and actions the school is taking,” Horsley said.

Ashlee Gordon pulled her 7-year-old son out of class after hearing about the incident Tuesday morning.

“I don’t want to have to be at work, or anything like that, and worry about my child possibly not coming home, especially before Christmas,” Gordon said.

Police were investigating to determine what the boy’s parents’ involvement may have been in the incident. The student was taken to a juvenile hall.

He has been suspended and criminal charges may be filed by the end of the week.

because clearly the answer to stopping violence is arming our 6th graders.

[Seraph]

Because the constitution prohibits us from making the same types of common sense regulations regarding guns as they do regarding cars.

Why? Gun laws have already been made and passed. I would make the argument "shall not be infringed" has already been quite infringed.

Edit: Hell, you could also use a constitutional amendment if you really wanted to do it the right way. Not suggesting this is feasible, but it is certainly possible.

[archibaldcrane]

Why? Gun laws have already been made and passed. I would make the argument "shall not be infringed" has already been quite infringed.

jesus christ

read up on the supreme court rulings concerning the 2nd amendment (trigger lock requirements, handgun bans in cities)

[ronin sparthos]

The 11-year-old boy allegedly told other students his parents encouraged him to bring a gun to school for protection following the shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut on Friday.

“At recess, he pointed a gun to my head and said he was going to kill me,” said Isabel Rios, one of the boy’s fellow 6th grade students.

Arm 'erbody.

"Dear God, I wish she had an M4 on that playground so she could have blown this kid away instead of having to stand there unarmed."

[Eurell]

If Isabel Rios would have been armed, she would have had nothing to worry about.

[Dotsudoku]

Can you kindly stop responding until you're going to address the fact that you're trying to compare aging and shark fatality rates as if they're in some way going to show us how dangerous the two are as a whole?

[archibaldcrane]

If only there was an armed teacher at that school to take that kid down when he pointed his unloaded gun at that little girl's head.

[Seraph]

jesus christ

read up on the supreme court rulings concerning the 2nd amendment (trigger lock requirements, handgun bans in cities)

Responded in my edit. You would really need an amendment unless somehow magically the Supreme Court decided to change its mind somehow.

[archibaldcrane]

Edit: Hell, you could also use a constitutional amendment if you really wanted to do it the right way. Not suggesting this is feasible, but it is certainly possible.

That's the only way gun control (in the vein of any other first-world nation) could be implemented.

[Kuya]

If only there was an armed teacher at that school to take that kid down when he pointed his unloaded gun at that little girl's head.

If only there were was an armed principal to pop a cap on that teacher's ass for shooting a kid.

[archibaldcrane]

And of course, that's a joke. You need 3/4ths of the state legislatures to pass a constitutional amendment. It will likely never happen again, and it will definitely not happen to repeal or alter the 2nd amendment.

[archibaldcrane]

Unlimited political speech for corporations and unlimited guns for everyone. The Constitution of the United States of America, ladies and gentlemen.

[ronin sparthos]

Unlimited political speech for corporations and unlimited guns for everyone. The Constitution of the United States of America, ladies and gentlemen.

At least when we storm Walmart to overthrow the oppressor we'll have machine guns, Chuck Norris and Jesus on our side.