So how about that Connecticut Elementary School Shooting; Troll at Your Own Risk

[AoE]

my lust for violence is appeased by video games, but if you take them away the only thing that will come close to the same appeasement is obviously shooting people

I'm one disappointment away from my next execution, personally.

[Jaybar]

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/V...013.php#page-1

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California State Senator Dr. Leland Yee, responsible for the unconstitutional California law that attempted to criminalize the sale of violent video games to kids, said the following when interviewed about the recent shootings.



A reminder that you don't have to be a Republican to be an idiot.

I don't know why everyone is so upset. This is a momentous milestone for [18+]gamers everywhere. Think about how silent and composed those headsets will sound in the future if bills like this continue unabated across the globe.

[Tarage]

Could be worse.

We could be Australia or Germany.

[Kerberoz]

My shock isn't that he's a democrat. Or that he's a doctor. Or that he can manage to be that stupid.

My shock comes from that he's D-San Francisco. San Francisco, home of silicon valley and a video game development hub.

I blame the Mormons.

[Drex]

Could be worse.

We could be Australia or Germany.

don't worry, we will be, we have to "catch up to the rest of the developed world"

[Melena]

My shock isn't that he's a democrat. Or that he's a doctor. Or that he can manage to be that stupid.

My shock comes from that he's D-San Francisco. San Francisco, home of silicon valley and a video game development hub.

He's been like this for years. He's Jack Thompson minus the crazy law suits and submitting gay porn as evidence.

[Cail]

The shooter's father released a public statement for the first time since it happened:

http://news.yahoo.com/conn-shooters-...120215476.html

NEW YORK (AP) — In his most extensive comments about the 2012 Connecticut school massacre, the father of gunman Adam Lanza describes his struggle to comprehend what his son did — an act that "couldn't get any more evil" — and how he now wishes that his son had never been born.

Peter Lanza also told The New Yorker magazine in a series of interviews last fall that he believes Adam would have killed him, too, if he had the chance. And he often contemplates what he could have done differently in his relationship with Adam, although he believes the killings couldn't have been predicted.

"Any variation on what I did and how my relationship was had to be good, because no outcome could be worse," Peter Lanza told the magazine in an article dated March 17. "You can't get any more evil. ... How much do I beat up on myself about the fact that he's my son? A lot."

He said he hadn't seen his son in two years when Adam killed 20 first-graders and six educators at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown in December 2012. Adam killed himself as police arrived. He also fatally shot his mother, Nancy, in their Newtown home before going to the school.

The magazine interviews are Peter Lanza's first public comments since he released a statement the day after the massacre expressing sympathy for the victims' families and puzzlement over his son's actions.

Peter and Nancy Lanza separated in 2001 and divorced in 2009. He last saw Adam in October 2010 and wanted to maintain contact with him. But Nancy Lanza wrote him an email saying Adam didn't want to see him, despite her efforts to reason with him. Several plans to meet with his son fell through. Peter Lanza said he felt frustrated and even considered hiring a private investigator to find out what his son was doing "so I could bump into him." He said he felt that showing up unannounced at his son's home would only make things worse.

Peter Lanza said Adam was 13 when a psychiatrist diagnosed him with Asperger's syndrome, a form of autism not associated with violence. But he believes the syndrome "veiled a contaminant" that wasn't Asperger's.

"I was thinking it could mask schizophrenia," said Peter Lanza, who lives in Fairfield County, Conn., and is vice president for taxes at a General Electric subsidiary, GE Energy Financial Services.

A spokesman for Peter Lanza said Monday that Lanza would not be commenting further.

Peter Lanza told the magazine that his son as a young child was "just a normal little weird kid" who used to spend hours with his father playing with Legos.

But as he grew older, Adam's mental health problems worsened, according to Connecticut State Police documents. A Yale University professor diagnosed Lanza in 2006 with profound autism spectrum disorder, "with rigidity, isolation, and a lack of comprehension of ordinary social interaction and communications," while also displaying symptoms of obsessive-compulsive disorder, the documents show.

Peter Lanza said his and Nancy Lanza's concerns about Adam increased when he began middle school.

"It was crystal clear something was wrong," he said. "The social awkwardness, the uncomfortable anxiety, unable to sleep, stress, unable to concentrate, having a hard time learning, the awkward walk, reduced eye contact. You could see the changes occurring."

After the killings, police investigators discovered that Adam Lanza had written violent stories as a child and later became interested in mass murders.

Peter Lanza believes his son had no affection for him at the time of the shootings.

"With hindsight, I know Adam would have killed me in a heartbeat, if he'd had the chance. I don't question that for a minute," he told the magazine.

Peter Lanza said he has searched psychiatric literature on mass killers to try to understand what happened. He was asked how he would feel if he could see his son again.

"Quite honestly, I think that I wouldn't recognize the person I saw," he said. "All I could picture is there'd be nothing there, there'd be nothing. Almost, like, 'Who are you, stranger?'"

He said he wished Adam had never been born.

"That didn't come right away," Peter Lanza said about that statement. "That's not a natural thing, when you're thinking about your kid. But, God, there's no question. There can only be one conclusion, when you finally get there. That's fairly recent, too, but that's totally where I am."

[Tajin]

Somebody wants his 15 seconds on tv, redux

[Drex]

separated circa his age 9
presumably had problems leading to the separation
he's my son
he killed the mom first
etc.

plain as day what happened here and you can blame whatever disorder you like as long as you don't have to acknowledge the parenting did it to him

[Waraji]

Which came first, the lack of parenting, or his rather obvious Mental Illness? That is the question.

[Aksannyi]

Yeah I was just going to say, the two aren't mutually exclusive.

[Headspace]

but they can be

[Blubbartron]

Fuck man... What if Adam killed all those kids out of a twisted sense of mercy? Better to kill them to spare them the potential suffering at the hands of people that are supposed to love them - the suffering we can suspect he endured because of his parents?

That possible explanation makes way more sense to me than simply writing him off as crazy (mentally ill). The brain is just a computer - it takes inputs to determine outputs, and while there are mental illnesses that can add, remove, or alter inputs from what they really are (perception disorders such as schizophrenia, etc), if you can understand the inputs as a person understood them, then their actions begin to make some sense no matter how atrocious they are from your own personal perspective.

[Brill Weave]

Here we go again.

[Waraji]

No we don't. Lock it down.

[Brill Weave]

Not going to lock it since people can actually have intelligent discussions here. But this thread is going to be on a short leash before the retardation can even begin.


Blub. I appreciate that you always want to seemingly play the devil's advocate on a lot of these threads. However, this is not the one. I would strongly suggest you choose what you post in this particular thread wisely.

[Xajii]

Fuck man... What if Adam killed all those kids out of a twisted sense of mercy? Better to kill them to spare them the potential suffering at the hands of people that are supposed to love them - the suffering we can suspect he endured because of his parents?

That possible explanation makes way more sense to me than simply writing him off as crazy (mentally ill). The brain is just a computer - it takes inputs to determine outputs, and while there are mental illnesses that can add, remove, or alter inputs from what they really are (perception disorders such as schizophrenia, etc), if you can understand the inputs as a person understood them, then their actions begin to make some sense no matter how atrocious they are from your own personal perspective.

lol, i'll bite.

of course it makes sense from their perspective. this is true of every single person on the earth. that doesn't make it not mentally ill. mentally ill people think they're doing the right thing. to say that it makes sense from their perspective doesn't mean their perspective is right. with this, it seems like you're trying to say everything makes sense and there is no mental illness.

[Brill Weave]

No we don't. Lock it down.

Apparently I was wrong. People can't have an intelligent conversation here.