2013 America (and Friends!) Gun Violence Thread No Plows Allowed!

[Thunder]

Christ, the amount of sand in your vagoo is unreal. Why don't you use all the energy you're putting into your revolving debate into something you can actually change.

Curious, what's your solution to when guns start to get mass produced via 3D printing? (which has happened already, on a test scale) To ban 3D printers?

Are you also a sympathizer to fat people, blaming all the fast food companies and cheering on douches like Bloomberg in regulating it?

Ya, look at all the energy I'm expending posting on BG - don't break a sweat responding to me. Christ bro, that last post was about as serious and relevant as yours - way to get super butt mad about it though lol

Making things illegal has an effect even if they're easily obtainable, captain. Anyone with a room and ventilation can make illegal stimulants or hallucinogens but you don't really see that happening, do you. Did you even think through your 3d printer comment?

Also lol@ another fast food and sugar comparison. Yeah, I'll support the bloomberg's out there trying to help fat fat fatasses make good decisions, god knows they can't make good decisions on their own.

PS is someone a fat ass? someone sounds like one

[chazzyphizzle]

well this thread certainly took a turn

[Odesseiron]

I never studied debate, but is this an example of ad hominem? I mean you just resort to name calling and personal attacks before even trying to have a discussion. You're the worst and most ignorant kind of person to deal with.

bye

[Ghost_Wheel22]

Thunder is /r/gunsarecool talking points incarnate. Gonna take more than that though to make me huddle in my bathtub clutching my raifu.

[Thunder]

I never studied debate, but is this an example of ad hominem? I mean you just resort to name calling and personal attacks before even trying to have a discussion. You're the worst and most ignorant kind of person to deal with.

bye

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was this you?

Man, I need to stop dawdling and get my pistol permit before all you whiney cunts make the wait period a year instead of six months.

You gun people are so funny. Don't even know what you're doing

Thunder is /r/gunsarecool talking points incarnate. Gonna take more than that though to make me huddle in my bathtub clutching my raifu.

never visited, but definitely will. I haven't actually had any talking points here afaik. Just wasn't allowing people to deliberately fudge comparisons/numbers to try and make a weak point look good (except for 232k jobs lost over a year being worth 3.8 trillion dollars, I did miss that)

[Odesseiron]

right, that was me. but I wasn't targeting you specifically. denied.

[Ksandra]

Maybe if you weren't a fat lazy slob you'd do the things you want to get done immediately instead of dawdling around. Or just join the BANGUNS superior race and be bathed in motivation and success


Wish you weren't serious

It takes like $70 of kitchen supplies + home depot bullshit to cast your own bullets. There are already limits on how many bullets someone can buy from any one place, so there are a lot of hobbyists out there making their own. Also 3d printing makes it child's play. Now, you'd be on to something if you also wanted to make them illegal. But then that's encroaching on the 2nd amendment and might as well just ban guns too


Btw, think of the 3.8 trillion dollars worth of jobs disappearing!! Fuck, I'm so embarrassed I let FNH pull that shit over me when I was being so careful to not take the bait on driver licenses and candy being on par with guns

Do you think a lot of gang members can afford $70 to be making bullets? The 3d printer is a valid comment, however. But not enough to make it worth not doing anything.

I don't care about job loss. Get min. wage to $15 an hour and those people can find jobs doing anything that will pay them more than what they were getting.

[Thunder]

right, that was me. but I wasn't targeting you specifically. denied.

ok, editted the post that offended you to be more in line with your views of how respectful debate should be had

hope all is well

[Ghost_Wheel22]

Going by the numbers on your side I should've never lived past three with the amount of firearms in my household. I should also be on every watchlist ever because I own over a dozen firearms, tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition in many different calibers, and a handload bench with pounds of powder.

Do you know why I spent five grand on a Barrett MRAD chambered in .338 Lapua? Because fuck you, that's why.

[Thunder]

Going by the numbers on your side I should've never lived past three with the amount of firearms in my household. I should also be on every watchlist ever because I own over a dozen firearms, tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition in many different calibers, and a handload bench with pounds of powder.

Do you know why I spent five grand on a Barrett MRAD chambered in .338 Lapua? Because fuck you, that's why.

Don't think you interpreted correctly whatever "numbers" you say you've seen on my side. Basically, that's a whole fuckload of hyperbole so hyper pokemon can make copyright claims on it

There can be responsible gun owners
There can be families with guns in the home and nothing goes wrong for generations

This isn't about you, this is about how easy it is for someone who wont be responsible with the gun getting the gun

Do you know why I spent five grand on a Barrett MRAD chambered in .338 Lapua? Because fuck you, that's why.

so yeah.. this is pretty much what it comes down to. Your hobby being so easy to maintain is responsible for a lot of gun violence and damage. But fuck that, so long as it's easy to buy a gun you think is cool, amirite?

[Ghost_Wheel22]

But fuck that, so long as it's easy to buy a gun you think is cool, amirite?

God-given right as determined by Heller v. DC.

[Blubbartron]

God-given right as determined by Heller v. DC.

I'll just leave this here.

[Ghost_Wheel22]

Adding "at this current moment in America" supportive clause made it sound rather superfluous.

If you wish to make it more clear it was determined by SCOTUS during Heller vs. DC that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes. Was also stated that the Second Amendment was not limitless (like most other rights) and is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose. One of those purposes (in my belief) is the protection of mine and my fellow neighbor's Constitutional rights. Maybe not so aggressive as voting from rooftops or outright coup but something as simple as owning the damn thing and making sure that my government KNOWS I have it. Deterrence theory, if you will.

Carlin and Hicks were really good at calling out shit but still have to remember there was a level of padding and repackaging to get the HO HO HOs out of the crowds because even they had bills to pay and tables to fill.

[Kyreth]

Do you think a lot of gang members can afford $70 to be making bullets? The 3d printer is a valid comment, however. But not enough to make it worth not doing anything.

I don't care about job loss. Get min. wage to $15 an hour and those people can find jobs doing anything that will pay them more than what they were getting.

It's one of those delicate balances. Up the price on ammo enough, and black market production will kick in. Effectively rendering "home production" of ammo the default, rather than the exception.

Police will be busting ammo labs the same way they bust meth labs now.

[Delayed]

There can be responsible gun owners
There can be families with guns in the home and nothing goes wrong for generations

This isn't about you, this is about how easy it is for someone who wont be responsible with the gun getting the gun
so yeah.. this is pretty much what it comes down to. Your hobby being so easy to maintain is responsible for a lot of gun violence and damage. But fuck that, so long as it's easy to buy a gun you think is cool, amirite?

There is a huge problem with your train of thought.
Because some people are irresponsible everyone should be forced to suffer? Because some fuck nut messes up others should pay the consequence of that action? That's incredibly inept thinking and downright insulting to have to put up with.
Spend an extra 5 minutes and come up with a logical and reasoned way to fix the problem, not bandaid it with over reaching and blanket problems for everyone to deal with.

[archibaldcrane]

Universal background checks are suffering now lol

[Boyiee]

It's one of those delicate balances. Up the price on ammo enough, and black market production will kick in. Effectively rendering "home production" of ammo the default, rather than the exception.

Police will be busting ammo labs the same way they bust meth labs now.

Black market ammo? Lol

[Quicklet]

There is a huge problem with your train of thought.
Because some people are irresponsible everyone should be forced to suffer? Because some fuck nut messes up others should pay the consequence of that action? That's incredibly inept thinking and downright insulting to have to put up with.
Spend an extra 5 minutes and come up with a logical and reasoned way to fix the problem, not bandaid it with over reaching and blanket problems for everyone to deal with.

That is how it generally works though. Look at recreational drones. Almost every week now there's a high profile story about a drone getting too close to an airplane or helicopter, and the end result will be regulations put in place that curtail the way people can use their drones, the violation of which will result in civil or criminal penalties.

There is nothing special about guns as a category that suggests we as a country cannot regulate their use in order to mitigate the statistical risks associated with higher gun ownership. We do it with many other things when a significant enough number of people have demonstrated that they are improperly equipped to handle such things or pose a danger to others when in possession of those things: cars, drugs, volatile substances, etc. One can personally oppose such regulations, but the logic and reasoning behind advocating for them are quite sound.

[Ghost_Wheel22]

Not sure if statism is a viable solution here.

[Ksandra]

There is a huge problem with your train of thought.
Because some people are irresponsible everyone should be forced to suffer? Because some fuck nut messes up others should pay the consequence of that action? That's incredibly inept thinking and downright insulting to have to put up with.
Spend an extra 5 minutes and come up with a logical and reasoned way to fix the problem, not bandaid it with over reaching and blanket problems for everyone to deal with.

Explain to me why not having a gun and/or having to go through strong regulations to have one is "suffering."

I read a post once that mentioned the biggest problem America has is we idolize guns and violence. Other countries play violent video games and watch violent movies, but they seem to be able to connect that guns are not the answer, whereas people here embrace it as the king.

I really don't know how to change that ideology, especially when you have grown adults treating the constitution as if it were the direct word of God.