2013 America (and Friends!) Gun Violence Thread No Plows Allowed!

[Tarage]

Whenever we have workplace accidents, we work to fix safety problems.
Whenever we have drug related crimes happen, we create an entire agency to deal with it.
et al
Whenever we have shootings happen, we do absolutely nothing and shrug our shoulders until the next time, then we do absolutely nothing again.

I agree. We should do something about mental health in this country.

[Waraji]

Fuck that's gotta be some shit if you can't get in touch with your child/family member that would have been at school that day.

[Tyrath]

People who act like it's a question of either or confuse me just as much as people who think nothing needs to be done. Why not do something about mental health AND have stricter gun laws. Nobody wants to take your guns away, just make it harder for people to get them.

[Tarage]

People who act like it's a question of either or confuse me just as much as people who think nothing needs to be done. Why not do something about mental health AND have stricter gun laws. Nobody wants to take your guns away, just make it harder for people to get them.

Except people always fucking ignore the mental health angle because everyone is so fucking focused on guns. I never stated any stance on guns. I'm pissed that we NEVER talk about mental health.

[BerenTebogo]

People who act like it's a question of either or confuse me just as much as people who think nothing needs to be done. Why not do something about mental health AND have stricter gun laws. Nobody wants to take your guns away, just make it harder for people to get them.

I mean...

I kinda want to take your guns away. People having multiple guns anyway. What is the point of having more than 1?

[Waraji]

just make it harder for people with mental illnesses or history of violent behavior, to get them.

I prefer this approach.

[Tyrath]

Except people always fucking ignore the mental health angle because everyone is so fucking focused on guns. I never stated any stance on guns. I'm pissed that we NEVER talk about mental health.

The way you responded it it seemed like you were dodging his obvious gun point. But I apologize if I misread it.

I think something needs to be done about both, on equal measures.

I prefer this approach.

No, I think guns are too easy to get in this country even for regular, sane people. Considering in some states its easier to get than it is to get a driver's license. There needs to be waiting periods and mandatory gun safety classes.

[Thunder]

What's helping with mental health even look like? Is everyone who gets laid off of a job going to get a state worker to come in and interview them (ala the reporter guy - the last shooting we had)?

When it's revealed who this guy was and why(possibly) he did it I doubt he escaped a mental ward or something. Was probably a regular enough dude to everyone around him until he started shooting


Or is it like school programs/curriculum that teaches kids how to deal with stress, overwhelming disapproval, lack of friends, etc? That's at least interesting to me. "Mental health problem" just sounds like someone doesn't know wtf is up trying to divert attention away from the most obvious solution, which is gun regulation+

Except people always fucking ignore the mental health angle because everyone is so fucking focused on guns. I never stated any stance on guns. I'm pissed that we NEVER talk about mental health.

so talk about it. What do you mean by addressing mental health issues?

[Tarage]

The way you responded it it seemed like you were dodging his obvious gun point. But I apologize if I misread it.

I think something needs to be done about both, on equal measures.

Nothing is ever done about mental health, so since we as a country can only ever focus on one fucking thing, yeah. Fuck the gun angle this time. 100% mental health please. We've never even attempted to fix that side before.

[Tyrath]

Nothing is ever done about mental health, so since we as a country can only ever focus on one fucking thing, yeah. Fuck the gun angle this time. 100% mental health please. We've never even attempted to fix that side before.

You act like anything has been -done- about the gun angle, which it hasn't.

[Tarage]

What's helping with mental health even look like? Is everyone who gets laid off of a job going to get a state worker to come in and interview them (ala the reporter guy - the last shooting we had)?

When it's revealed who this guy was and why(possibly) he did it I doubt he escaped a mental ward or something. Was probably a regular enough dude to everyone around him until he started shooting


Or is it like school programs/curriculum that teaches kids how to deal with stress, overwhelming disapproval, lack of friends, etc? That's at least interesting to me. "Mental health problem" just sounds like someone doesn't know wtf is up trying to divert attention away from the most obvious solution, which is gun regulation+

How about we actually deal with bullies? How about we try to teach people how to deal with stress. If you are saying we even do a fraction of what's required to have a healthy well adjusted society, you are quite frankly mad.

[Tarage]

You act like anything has been -done- about the gun angle, which it hasn't.

More than has ever been done for mental health. Which is nothing.

[Thunder]

How about we actually deal with bullies? How about we try to teach people how to deal with stress. If you are saying we even do a fraction of what's required to have a healthy well adjusted society, you are quite frankly mad.

ok, what does that mean? Actually deal with bullies? Do you want to regulate the internet? UN-style 'everything is pre-screened' before posted?

You're being reeeeally vague

[BerenTebogo]

Nothing is ever done about mental health, so since we as a country can only ever focus on one fucking thing, yeah. Fuck the gun angle this time. 100% mental health please. We've never even attempted to fix that side before.

Not to mention that, with some level of variance, the frequency of mental health issues in first world countries is (I believe) fairly level across the board. Certain countries are better/worse at treating it, yes.

There is an unequivocal chasm between gun violence per x people in the US versus other first world countries. Even ones with similar levels of healthcare.

Mental health does need to be addressed, but this is first and foremost a gun issue. Sorry. They are not on the same footing.

[Sho]

Except people always fucking ignore the mental health angle because everyone is so fucking focused on guns. I never stated any stance on guns. I'm pissed that we NEVER talk about mental health.

How about solve the gun issue first, then go after the mental health issue right after. Access to guns will always trump mental health issues. However, both can be identified and solved in tandem.

This isn't even fucking debatable at this point. It will always be a throw away post to say "people are ignoring mental health issues." How about no?

[kuronosan]

Maybe I should become a psychiatrist.

[Tarage]

"My issue is more important because I said so."

Okay. Good luck getting anything solved then. You should be thankful people even give a shit about yours.

[6souls]

From everything I've heard and read so far, I am not seeing anything about male victims, only female.

[Byrd]

http://koin.com/video/livestream/?cid=twitter_KOINNews

It's really weird seeing news anchors that I see every day reporting on this. It's sad that this is the most unusual part of the experience for me, we see stories like this way too much.

[notorious bum]

The same people who allegedly want to address "mental health" typically don't want universal healthcare or to divert more funds to make it possible for comprehensive mental healthcare education and for it to be anything more than an afterthought.