2013 America (and Friends!) Gun Violence Thread No Plows Allowed!

[Dimmauk]

Has any news channel done what Obama asked and made a comparison of Americans killed by terrorism in the last 10 years vs Americans killed due to Gun violence in the last 10 years?

[BerenTebogo]

I don't generally watch Obama's talks, but I just finished up watching this one. I'm genuinely impressed, it was very, very good.

[Sho]

Has any news channel done what Obama asked and made a comparison of Americans killed by terrorism in the last 10 years vs Americans killed due to Gun violence in the last 10 years?

Yep:

[Dimmauk]

So what now? Expand the ATF?

My body is ready for the War on Guns.

Guns are for pussies

[Sho]

Ehh nothing will happen. Republicans and NRA keep Obama's hands tied over this issue. Can't even pass a shitty gun ban like Clinton did.

Lets be fair, not even a massacre of Congress would stop them from not passing a gun law of any kind.

[BerenTebogo]

Ehh nothing will happen. Republicans and NRA keep Obama's hands tied over this issue. Can't even pass a shitty gun ban like Clinton did.

Lets be fair, not even a massacre of Congress would stop them from not passing a gun law of any kind.

Part of why I'm down with Obama's speech this time is that he highlighted this exact problem, repeatedly and explicitly. Basically talking directly to the people who already agree with him, but don't turn out for voting that isn't strictly presidential. Told everyone straight up that the only way this happens is if we change it, not him.

I don't think expanding the ATF is a good way to go about it. Trying to take guns by force in the south is going to end up going all fucking Waco and Ruby Ridge real fast.

A first step would be a hard line in the sand on number of guns sold yearly through legal means. Guns are confiscated and destroyed every day in every city in this country. With supply sufficiently hampered a lot of the work will happen naturally, without busting down doors.

[kuronosan]

srs. Unless we had some kind of super AI being able to watch our every move nobody is going to catch the next elliot rogers (only bring him up because this guy targeted only females + the beta male talk on cnn) because they look and act like, basically, a regular dude



minor in psychic precognition and you're perfect for the job

Because you need to be psychic to know how people think.

Stay away from psychology discussions. They don't work for you.

[6souls]

Not only an Atheist, but also a Republican & a Hiker.

The man suspected of opening fire on a college campus and killing nine people in Oregon had ties to Torrance and relatives in Tarzana, CBS Los Angeles has learned.

The stepsister of Chris Harper Mercer, 26, said Mercer was born in England and traveled to the United States as a young boy.

She says Mercer’s father, who lives in Tarzana, married her mother and that the last time she spoke with Mercer was a year ago.

In Torrance, neighbors told CBS Los Angeles that Mercer lived there a few years ago and kept mostly to himself.

Mercer, according to KNX 1070 NEWSRADIO, had identified Torrance as his hometown on the hiking website, All-Trails, in September 2012.

A MySpace page apparently belonging to Mercer also had Torrance as his hometown. That page reportedly had a photograph of Mercer holding a gun while smiling.

CBS News also reported that an online dating profile that appears to belong to Mercer identified him as Republican and not religious.

The profile listed his hobbies and interests as “Internet, killing zombies, movies, music, reading,” the news organization reported.

The Daily Beast also reported that Mercer said on that profile that he was living with his parents and searching for the “yin to my yang,” according to KNX 1070 NEWSRADIO.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/...es-in-tarzana/

[Pirian]

A first step would be a hard line in the sand on number of guns sold yearly through legal means. Guns are confiscated and destroyed every day in every city in this country. With supply sufficiently hampered a lot of the work will happen naturally, without busting down doors.

10 years from now 3D printing is probably going to be far enough along that you'll be able to make your own gun. This is already happening to a certain degree, but 10 years down the line 3D printers are most likely going to have progressed and become cheap enough that it'll be a real issue

[thetruepandagod]

Lets be fair, not even a massacre of Congress would stop them from not passing a gun law of any kind.

not to be combative or what have you, but what gun laws would you personally like to enact. Just curious and too lazy to re-read the thread.

[BerenTebogo]

10 years from now 3D printing is probably going to be far enough along that you'll be able to make your own gun. This is already happening to a certain degree, but 10 years down the line 3D printers are most likely going to have progressed and become cheap enough that it'll be a real issue

There are a vast amount of legislative issues that are going to need to be addressed in the coming years due to 3D printing. Absolutely agree with that. Guns are actually pretty far down on the list of "shit you can do with a 3D printer that terrifies me".

Don't think that is a good reason for us to not do what we can today though. 3D printing is a wonderful, exceptionally powerful tool that can do unimaginable good for humanity. It also probably won't ever be a household term until somebody uses it to do something horrific and lawmakers scramble to catch-up.

[Ghost_Wheel22]

A first step would be a hard line in the sand on number of guns sold yearly through legal means. Guns are confiscated and destroyed every day in every city in this country. With supply sufficiently hampered a lot of the work will happen naturally, without busting down doors.

Not quite following this one.

[Sho]

not to be combative or what have you, but what gun laws would you personally like to enact. Just curious and too lazy to re-read the thread.

Anything that would happen isn't going to solve the problems in a day, so lets get that right out of the way. Also no gun law would fully stop gun violence. However it would severely limit it from happening.

First the loopholes making it easy to get a gun should be closed (buying online, at gun shows). From there, guns with high capacity magazines that are military grade should also be fully banned outside of on duty military personnel (ATF & FBI would slowly start to take care of the amount of guns flowing in or out, and those that are in gangs & cartels). Then mental health checks should be enacted, one of which goes through a person's full history. Finally, there should be some sort of license procedure that would be enacted in all 50 states with yearly or bi-yearly renewals. The license procedure themselves would have people complete courses on gun safety, safe gun/ammunition storage procedures, and finally conceal carry procedures for states that allow conceal carry. Also the minimum age to purchase a firearm should be raised to 21 across the board.

I've mentioned this multiple times before, but I'm perfectly fine with people having firearms for protection, hunting, and general collection. However, there needs to be multiple checks in place that bar people from allow them weapons insofar that this happens. People who truly love and respect what a gun is would have no problems going through a procedure to maintain and keep their firearms.

Edit: I'd like to add one thing to the above. The Brady Bill should be revisited -- the provision for background checks during an arbitrary waiting period that was struck down by the SCOTUS should be overturned in some form or fashion then extended. A 10+ day waiting period on the purchase plus an instant (criminal) background check. This would obviously hamper anyone's timeline if they are planning on quick purchasing a weapon into causing a tragedy.

[BerenTebogo]

Not quite following this one.

There are only so many non-combative ways to take (certain) guns out of the hands of people who already own them.

I'm not really an expert on "how to confiscate semi-automatic weapons from people who are sexually attracted to their own blood relatives" so the only thing I can offer is that ban on the legals sale of (certain types) of weaponry would achieve positive results naturally over time.

By no means am I saying that I am right or that it is the best option.

[Sho]

There are only so many non-combative ways to take (certain) guns out of the hands of people who already own them.

I'm not really an expert on "how to confiscate semi-automatic weapons from people who are sexually attracted to their own blood relatives" so the only thing I can offer is that ban on the legals sale of (certain types) of weaponry would achieve positive results naturally over time.

By no means am I saying that I am right or that it is the best option.

Any option is better than no option really. I bash Clinton's Gun Ban a lot, but at least he got something through.

[Ghost_Wheel22]

First the loopholes making it easy to get a gun should be closed (buying online, at gun shows).

What loopholes? Every firearm sale at a gun show requires a BGC. Online firearm sales work the same as ordering through a magazine. FFLs and retailers that don't follow the law get fucked by the ATF, longdick style.

From there, guns with high capacity magazines that are military grade should also be fully banned outside of on duty military personnel.

Pick up that can, citizen.

People who truly love and respect what a gun is would have no problems going through a procedure to maintain and keep their firearms.

"how to confiscate semi-automatic weapons from people who are sexually attracted to their own blood relatives"

Is this where this is going? Ok, I'm out. Circle jerk yourselves to death.

[Sho]

What loopholes? Every firearm sale at a gun show requires a BGC. Online firearm sales work the same as ordering through a magazine. FFLs and retailers that don't follow the law get fucked by the ATF, longdick style.

Only in 18 states, not all 50. This doesn't even account for private party sellers who make sales at gun shows -- unlicensed people who don't require a background check, nor can they initiate a background check without obtaining a FFL. There's a reason why H.R.2380 is (unsuccessfully) trying to pass in the House right now, to close up the private party seller loophole. It's nice to say that the ATF is on the case busting people for essentially selling weapons illegally, but it's not so.

Pick up that can, citizen.

Has to be said. Military grade weapons don't even account for more than 10% of these killings, but they need to be curbed as well.

Is this where this is going? Ok, I'm out. Circle jerk yourselves to death.

If you have a problem with it, you can argue it up or bounce. I already made mention that I don't have a problem with people owning firearms. If the the laws were changed to the point where you needed a license to keep firearms, you as a perceived (well-meaning) gun owner would go out of your way to obtain said license, right?

[Andalusian girls]

you must not spend much time with gun enthusiasts who compose one of the most entitled, intransigent, and sensitive interest groups around

i go hunting and skeet shooting with my cousin and his people, get on well with them all, but when most of them open their mouths about gun control my brain begins to smash itself against my cranium. despite the empirical evidence showing gun violence is linked to guns (astounding) many, i fear most, are unwilling to relinquish any degree of their present liberties in an effort to suppress gun violence

[thetruepandagod]

What's goin on over here.

Spoiler: show

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-0...o-dead/6824320

[Thunder]

Because you need to be psychic to know how people think.

Stay away from psychology discussions. They don't work for you.

Are you even following along? That was a joke @ the impracticality of catching these people with "mental issues" before they go on a rampage

How are you going to psychologically profile someone when they're not coming in for visits? The people committing violence aren't seeing psychiatrists, clear the background checks, nobody is reading their private diaries, nobody is reading their private posting on anonymous boards, how the fuck do you see being a psychiatrist and the war on mental illness curbing gun violence?

Fuck, you're like 90% annoying, baiting, etc whenever you post on here when nobody's even coming at you. Should probably get a psychiatrist over to your place before you really get upset