2013 America (and Friends!) Gun Violence Thread No Plows Allowed!

[Churchill]

Unfortunately, outside of a situation where everyone was in mortal danger (supervirus, earthquakes, angels possessing bodies, zombies) you'd be hard pressed to actually see the US military fight against citizens were there an armed uprising. The citizens would have some nice tanks though.

[Melena]

American forces haven't lost a significant engagement since Korea, any failure to achieve geopolitical aspirations was the result of a lack of political will not a deficiency in military capability

regardless, as stated anyone who holds the idea that the casualties engendered by prospective domestic asymmetrical warfare is the only thing preventing an Adolph Hitler or Napoleon Bonaparte type from hollowing out the Republic has a very different conception of the nation than do i

Wasn't Vietnam after korea?

[Galkaeater]

American forces haven't lost a significant engagement since Korea, any failure to achieve geopolitical aspirations was the result of a lack of political will not a deficiency in military capability

regardless, as stated anyone who holds the idea that the casualties engendered by prospective domestic asymmetrical warfare is the only thing preventing an Adolph Hitler or Napoleon Bonaparte type from hollowing out the Republic has a very different conception of the nation than do i

You don't know much about civil wars do you?

[Andalusian girls]

Wasn't Vietnam after korea?

there is some semantic quibbling over what precisely constituted victory regarding 1 or 2 engagements but it is widely accepted the U.S. won every or nearly every battle during Vietnam; which of course proved irrelevant as the North Vietnamese merely had to wait for our domestic politics to affect the end of our direct participation in that theater in a way their force of arms never could

but please don't take that analysis as condonation. Vietnam was an idiotic war in which we never should have engaged

[Andalusian girls]

You don't know much about civil wars do you?

i've watched Gundam Wing at least three times

[Galkaeater]

No robots in this one i'm afraid

Don't assume that everyone in the armed forces has unwavering loyalty to the goverment, whole units may defect or refuse to even turn up, then you'll have people acting as informants or agents making it alot easyier to take/blowup military bases.

It quite possible it would not be nearly as asymmetrical as you'd think, could be quite bloody too.

[Tyrath]

Wait people are suggesting that an armed uprising against the government is viable in 2015? Wat.

The 'militia' reasoning behind the 2nd amendment has long since been defunct.

[archibaldcrane]

Jeb Bush dips his toe into this pool, stubs it.

http://gawker.com/you-dont-pass-a-po...ium=socialflow

[Salodin]

i've watched Gundam Wing at least three times

You deserve a gold star for this one, and that's taking into account all your posts which are mostly fantastic.

[Dimmauk]

Usually the pro gun front likes to use the mental health issue, but they are also against universal health care and planned Parenthood, and this is why they are terrible.

[thetruepandagod]

Wait people are suggesting that an armed uprising against the government is viable in 2015? Wat.

The 'militia' reasoning behind the 2nd amendment has long since been defunct.

If there did happen to be a tyrannical induced civil war in the US it would definitely not be one sided in favor of the government if that's what you are saying. I honestly doubt that will ever happen though because the government also knows how hard it would be if that happened, at most you will see things like waco with small groups skirmishing with the gov't.

[Melena]

Usually the pro gun front likes to use the mental health issue, but they are also against universal health care and planned Parenthood, and this is why they are terrible.

I'm pro gun, pro universal health care, pro planned parenthood, and believe more money and research needs to be invested in mental health. Does that make me a unicorn?

[Brill Weave]

[archibaldcrane]

I'm pro gun

You would be, you basically are the shooter what with your name and the state you're from and interest in the internet and atheism

[Melena]

You would be, you basically are the shooter what with your name and the state you're from and interest in the internet and atheism

You have absolutely no idea how happy I am that Mercer is his last name. But yet another reason why my facebook is pretty much locked down to friends only.

[Cantih]

Don't assume that everyone in the armed forces has unwavering loyalty to the goverment, whole units may defect or refuse to even turn up, then you'll have people acting as informants or agents making it alot easyier to take/blowup military bases.

This. It's the same basic reason the Egyptian military backed off on Tahrir Square, in a reasonable state, the rank and file will be reluctant to operate on countrymen without a damned decent reason.
If you get a Waco style uprising (and/or whatever a blue counterpart might look like), yeah you'll likely see a firm "No" response. But if everybody starts going at each others throats, it's not going to be so clear cut.

[Tyrath]

It's never going to get to that point. There's literally 0 chance that an organized revolt of any kind will have the time to get off the ground before the government squashes it.

[Niiro]

If you get a Waco style uprising (and/or whatever a blue counterpart might look like), yeah you'll likely see a firm "No" response. But if everybody starts going at each others throats, it's not going to be so clear cut.

Yes, if the impossible happens and an organized large scale revolt occurred it would be hard to deal with.

So would an alien invasion, or if all the world's water turned into laffy taffy, those too would be problems with no clear cut solutions.

[6souls]

http://oathkeepers.org

Just because, there is a major militia that has chapters in all 50 states. It's made up of current and former military members, police, firemen, and emergency responders. Most recently they made their presence known at the Ferguson protests and protecting military recruitment centers after the drive-by.

[thetruepandagod]

Yes, if the impossible happens and an organized large scale revolt occurred it would be hard to deal with.

So would an alien invasion, or if all the world's water turned into laffy taffy, those too would be problems with no clear cut solutions.

Historically one of your examples has happened quite a few times.

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