2013 America (and Friends!) Gun Violence Thread No Plows Allowed!

[vagus]

Domestic terrorism.

How long before fbi shuts down 4chan ? Lol.

[Hatedregret]

Dudes car in that video totally has a sticker called gamer gate and I can only think of a BG member now haha

[Blubbartron]

Why in the fuck did that youtube video say "#GamerGate shooter"?

[Churchill]

The insinuation is that there is a zionist conspiracy to be terribly misinformed on 4chans involvement in the shooting to spur activity to get it shut down. JIDF has been trying unsuccessfully for awhile, so they are turning to different tactics. CNN's (and it isn't just that broadcast) choice of words is also probably a taunt to 4chan to stir some sort of repercussion which will inevitably be able to be used against 4chan.

Hence, oy vey.

[Kyreth]

It worked for Australia. The problem is that America love's it's half measures when it comes to reform. Like in Chicago, you can't just turn around and be like "Oh hey. Handguns are illegal now." and expect everyone to stop. You need to have buyback programs that aren't a fucking ripoff, stop gun shows from selling guns to literally anyone, and take the measure to the federal level so that the flow of illegal weaponry from more gun happy states is harder to keep going.

It's like marijuana in CO. The surrounding states are complaining about the influx of pot from CO because it's legal there. When something is legal in one state and illegal in the other, it's always harder on the state trying to restrict things.

Ironically, they had a shooting in front of a Australian police station yesterday that ended with a corpse at the front door of a daycare center and a dead civilian who worked for the police department.

Working as intended, the shooter was a 15-year old Iraqi immigrant shouting religious slogans.

[Eurell]

Ironically, they had a shooting in front of a Australian police station yesterday that ended with a corpse at the front door of a daycare center and a dead civilian who worked for the police department.

Working as intended, the shooter was a 15-year old Iraqi immigrant shouting religious slogans.

Wasn't that one also posted on 4chan? I thought I saw a link to that earlier on reddit, but maybe I'm wrong.

Edit:http://i.imgur.com/dAWXHHt.jpg

Idk if its fake or w/e, dont even know enough about aus to know if thats the same spot or if I'm just being dumb lol.

[archibaldcrane]

You guys

YOU GUYS

I'VE FOUND IT

THE CHART

MOSES FOUND IT IN A BURNING BUSH OR SOMETHING

https://img.njdc.com/media/media/201...wholechart.png

[archibaldcrane]

Man you can't read it on tappytalks, um

https ://img.njdc.com/media/media/2015/09/01/wholechart.png

Take out the space after https

Fucking moses

[Niiro]

How the fuck can Wyoming be that high on the list, there's only 500,000 people in the entire goddamn state.

[Churchill]

I like Washington and New Hampshire in there, super relaxed gun laws and screwing up that chart.

With Alaska at the top of that list, a state which is almost entirely rural rednecks, I am assuming this additional data set is playing highly into that graph as a whole: "Gun death figures include...and legal intervention involving firearms."

We arrested Joe Dirt, he had a rifle, and he's on that graph.

[Churchill]

plz ban guns

[archibaldcrane]

How the fuck can Wyoming be that high on the list, there's only 500,000 people in the entire goddamn state.

Gun deaths per 100,000. How about New York, California and Illinois all cracking the top-11 eh?

[Blubbartron]

I like Washington and New Hampshire in there, super relaxed gun laws and screwing up that chart.

With Alaska at the top of that list, a state which is almost entirely rural rednecks, I am assuming this additional data set is playing highly into that graph as a whole: "Gun death figures include...and legal intervention involving firearms."

We arrested Joe Dirt, he had a rifle, and he's on that graph.

I interpreted "legal intervention involving firearms" as cops shooting people. Including non-deaths with a slew of various ways to die by gun shot wound seems silly, if that's what they did.

[Quicklet]

I would be interested in seeing gun-related suicides separated out of this chart. I once read in a sociology text many years ago that western/rural states tend to have much higher suicide rates (this may include non-gun related suicides), so that could inflate the numbers of some states, particularly Alaska. Would also be interested in seeing potential effects from nearby states (e.g. can a state with tough gun control laws but with neighboring states that have loose laws see higher than expected numbers due to trafficking across state lines)? Also would be interested in seeing correlations with population density and general crime rates.

[Ghost_Wheel22]

Correction on Oregon. We passed UBC and it has always required an FFL transfer through online sales (unless mailing intrastate but UBC closed that). I would also rate getting a CCW fairly easily as Oregon is a Shall-Issue state basically meaning if you can pass a 4473, be 21+, pay ~$50 for a firearm safety class, and $55 in licensing fees you'll get one.

And when you set aside gun-related suicides the numbers get very small indeed. Something around 24000 gun deaths out of 32000 are from suicide, with 2500 justified self-defense, several hundred from LEO, and a handful of accidental deaths.

"legal intervention involving firearms"

Legal self-defense and justified shoots from LEO makes up this segment.

[Galkaeater]

You can omit, include or use any statistics you want when it comes to skewing graphs in favour of what ever your trying to push

Like I quickly knocked out a graph using the statistics that panda posted from wikipedia with gunownership/gunhomiciderate (with DC omitted since its an extreme outlier)



You probably won't see a graph like this on vox, motherjones or w/e

[Boyiee]

I'm happy where NJ is on that graph, and most of East coast/new England states seem to be up top. I've always said NJ laws should become federal.

[Niiro]

Gun deaths per 100,000. How about New York, California and Illinois all cracking the top-11 eh?

I know they're per capita but, like, if you have to drive 50 miles just to find someone else to shoot you'd think their numbers would be a lot lower.

[Galkaeater]

you only have to drive out to the woods if your shooting yourself

[Niiro]

Good point.

If I lived in Wyoming I'd probably do the same.