2013 America (and Friends!) Gun Violence Thread No Plows Allowed!

[Ardrial]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/21...exico-freeway/

Man drives up to another car and shoots a 4 year old dead over road rage.


Guns save lives, amirite?

Holy fucking shit. The racism in those comments makes me so sad.

[Ghost_Wheel22]

They sure do! We should give every citizen their own personal nuclear weapon too so they can defend themselves against other people with nuclear weapons. That would work out splendidly wouldn't it? Nukes don't kill people, people kill people

Second amendment applies to firearms, not destructive devices. Your slippery slope example is terrible and I'm starting to believe you might be hoplophobic.

[archibaldcrane]

Second amendment applies to firearms, not destructive devices. Your slippery slope example is terrible and I'm starting to believe you might be hoplophobic.

As with everything in the constitution, disagreement exists

Meaning of "keep and bear arms"
In Heller the majority rejected the view that the term "to bear arms" implies only the military use of arms:

Before addressing the verbs "keep" and "bear," we interpret their object: "Arms." The term was applied, then as now, to weapons that were not specifically designed for military use and were not employed in a military capacity. Thus, the most natural reading of "keep Arms" in the Second Amendment is to "have weapons." At the time of the founding, as now, to "bear" meant to "carry." In numerous instances, "bear arms" was unambiguously used to refer to the carrying of weapons outside of an organized militia. Nine state constitutional provisions written in the 18th century or the first two decades of the 19th, which enshrined a right of citizens "bear arms in defense of themselves and the state" again, in the most analogous linguistic context—that "bear arms" was not limited to the carrying of arms in a militia. The phrase "bear Arms" also had at the time of the founding an idiomatic meaning that was significantly different from its natural meaning: "to serve as a soldier, do military service, fight" or "to wage war." But it unequivocally bore that idiomatic meaning only when followed by the preposition "against,". Every example given by petitioners’ amici for the idiomatic meaning of "bear arms" from the founding period either includes the preposition "against" or is not clearly idiomatic. In any event, the meaning of "bear arms" that petitioners and Justice Stevens propose is not even the (sometimes) idiomatic meaning. Rather, they manufacture a hybrid definition, whereby "bear arms" connotes the actual carrying of arms (and therefore is not really an idiom) but only in the service of an organized militia. No dictionary has ever adopted that definition, and we have been apprised of no source that indicates that it carried that meaning at the time of the founding. Worse still, the phrase "keep and bear Arms" would be incoherent. The word "Arms" would have two different meanings at once: "weapons" (as the object of "keep") and (as the object of "bear") one-half of an idiom. It would be rather like saying "He filled and kicked the bucket" to mean "He filled the bucket and died."[164]

In a dissent, joined by Justices Souter, Ginsburg, and Breyer, Justice Stevens said:

The Amendment's text does justify a different limitation: the "right to keep and bear arms" protects only a right to possess and use firearms in connection with service in a state-organized militia. Had the Framers wished to expand the meaning of the phrase "bear arms" to encompass civilian possession and use, they could have done so by the addition of phrases such as "for the defense of themselves".[168]

[archibaldcrane]

Or if you want to do a hyperdive

http://brainshavings.com/the-right-t...and-bear-what/

[Ghost_Wheel22]

True, but current policy divides things into two group: things that you can realistically use for all lawful purposes (hunting, self-defense, sport, collecting) and things you cannot. While I can lawfully own a nuclear device (provided I can show lawful use and all regulations are met for storage and maintenance) there is no way I could activate to kill an armed intruder without also killing/irradiating myself, my house, my neighbors, my block, my downtown district, my city, and setting off DEFCON4. This also includes things like JDAM missiles, 120mm smoothbore guns, and biological agents as they are too large of scale to respond to a specific threat.

*Kinda beat me to punch with a more salient example. I haven't read this piece in years, how refreshing.

[6souls]

School shooting at Tennessee State University, 1 dead male (19), 3 wounded females, shooter at large.

[vivbiibasjiu]

Not sure which one of these makes me want to leave the planet more, but at least the last one is highly relevant to this thread. Murika!

[Ghost_Wheel22]

Improper storage of a firearm. Was slightly relieved that the child will live because
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[Waraji]

Is that Kristen Bell?

[Clash Perez]

Yes, but it's from a show set.

[Waraji]

I would... bang bang.

[kuronosan]

She sure is showing quite a set.

[Buffy]

edit: moved to cop thread when I saw conversation there.

[Tyrath]

Lets move here then

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/126...tion?p=6569164

[Churchill]

http://truthuncensored.net/6-time-fe....Y0C93AN0.dpbs

A brave 13-year-old Ladson boy fended off two hardened felons who were attempting to break into his house by using his mother’s gun to protect himself while home alone.

When is this kid getting invited to the White House?

[jmc]

He only gets a invite if he built the firearm with parts from other firearms.

[Blubbartron]

Impressive. If only these kinds of cases were the majority, instead of dumbass youngsters typically shooting themselves or others accidentally or with ill intent.

[Pirian]

You guys, this is the plot to Home Alone 5

[Tyrath]

Funded by the NRA.

[Ardrial]

You guys, this is the plot to Home Alone 5

If only Macaulay Culkin had a gun.