2013 America (and Friends!) Gun Violence Thread No Plows Allowed!

**Galkaeater** · 2016-01-03 05:17

Pretty sure door bell pranks can count as trespassing depending on where you live.

**Fiye** · 2016-01-03 19:58

http://gawker.com/sons-of-noted-raci...n-s-1750764305

This is why we can't have nice things. Also really hoping this ends up in the ridiculous police thread at some point.

**Ghost_Wheel22** · 2016-01-03 21:10

If the Clive and his sons are racist then why was McNiggerator such a popular guy with them at the Nevada BLM standoff?

And this Oregon standoff bit is weird anyways.

**kuronosan** · 2016-01-03 21:16

No it ain't, and he very much is an admitted racist.

**notorious bum** · 2016-01-03 23:37

Bit weird that this isn't called domestic terrorism. Weird.

edit: here's an in-depth report on this Bundy saga, for those who want to know more beyond the tl;dr: 1) illegally hunted deer, then 2) set 130 acres of land ablaze to cover what they did, and 3) get our boys back, cowboy-style!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...4752&tid=ss_tw

**Cantih** · 2016-01-04 00:08

Well, to be fair, they are not trying to spread terror.

Rebellion, Sedition, sure.
But not yet terrorism.

**Tyrath** · 2016-01-04 00:22

Originally Posted by Cantih

Well, to be fair, they are not trying to spread terror.

Rebellion, Sedition, sure.
But not yet terrorism.

Try again.

ter·ror·ism
ˈterəˌrizəm/Submit
noun
noun: terrorism
the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

**Cantih** · 2016-01-04 00:38

That definition makes pmuch every military action on earth who's goal stopped short of genocide, "terrorism".

**notorious bum** · 2016-01-04 00:54

I think you're on to something here.

**Thunder** · 2016-01-04 00:56

Originally Posted by Cantih

That definition makes pmuch every military action on earth who's goal stopped short of genocide, "terrorism".

not true

the guys who invented the word in 2001 made sure it covered everything from a dirty look to a dirty bomb so that we can military action anyone we want

we wont military action those guys though

**Tyrath** · 2016-01-04 01:23

Originally Posted by Cantih

That definition makes pmuch every military action on earth who's goal stopped short of genocide, "terrorism".

...yeah. Think about that.

**Ghost_Wheel22** · 2016-01-04 02:15

Originally Posted by notorious bum

set 130 acres of land ablaze to cover what they did

This part interests me since NIFC would have that fire listed since it hit over 100 acres. Which is also really interesting since fires on that side of the state rarely stay that small unless they started the fire way out of season/prescription or some miraculous fuel break that chokes it.

**Fiye** · 2016-01-04 02:45

Originally Posted by Ghost_Wheel22

If the Clive and his sons are racist then why was McNiggerator such a popular guy with them at the Nevada BLM standoff?

He was popular. And then he opened his trap and fox news and company backed the fuck out of that.

**Churchill** · 2016-01-04 03:07

I read they were protesting cause the judge arbitrarily added two years.

also, top comment

A bunch of ranchers in an abandoned building in the middle of nowhere is a large step removed from a mob of people burning down and looting local businesses. If you would like to compare so far zero businesses have been burnt down, zero cop cars have been set on fire, and zero packs of toilet paper or hair weaves have been looted. Hell, they haven’t even went into a McDonalds and stole the TV from the wall yet. The rioters in Baltimore and Ferguson cannot make such claims.

**Fiye** · 2016-01-04 03:28

I mean, I'm not going to cry for action. Pushing police to do something is going to end up in a horrible mess that no one wants.

Also its not arbitrary in any form. Turns out its a mandatory minimum sentence.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...ained-20160103

Q: What sparked the militia takeover?
A: The answer here is complicated. In short, the militants are outraged about a mandatory minimum sentence received for arson by a local rancher and his son.

I mean I'll agree minimum sentencing is bullshit and should be abolished. But at the same time I don't see these people storming a fucking federal building for every minimum sentencing that happens to non violent drug offenders.

Edit: From that same article.

Q: So some Oregon ranchers got busted for arson. Where's the tyranny?
A: The ranchers' case became a cause celebre in the patriot/militia movement because the pair were sentenced for their arson crimes under a provision of a law called the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996. And they were oddly sentenced twice.

The federal law in question doesn't just deal with terrorism. It created a five-year mandatory-minimum sentence for arson on federal land: "Whoever maliciously damages or destroys... by means of fire...any...real property...owned or possessed by...the United States...shall be imprisoned for not less than 5 years…"

The first federal judge to handle the case concluded that the mandatory sentence was too stiff and gave the pair far lighter sentences, which they served. But the U.S. attorney in the case called foul; the federal government took the rare step of appealing the sentence. In October 2015, the Ninth Circuit imposed the mandatory minimum, ruling that: "given the seriousness of arson, a five-year sentence is not grossly disproportionate to the offense." The ranchers are due back in federal prison Monday to serve out their five years each.

But this odd re-sentencing, under a statute that makes it sound like the cattlemen were being prosecuted for terrorism, inflamed the paranoid passions of the anti-government patriot and militia movements, and brought the militants to Burns for a rally on Saturday.

So basically they're mad because mandatory sentencing got enforced.

**notorious bum** · 2016-01-04 03:43

We've got neocons comparing the destruction of property as a showing of civil disobedience, in response to negligent homicide/manslaughter by the state, with a group of christian terrorists who strapped-up, prepared to kill-or-be-killed for their kin folk being punished for overstepping their white privilege.

We also have so-called liberals wishing for the feds to get into a shootout with them because #IfTheyWerentWhite.

The amount of stupid that comes out every year never ceases to amaze me.

**Quicklet** · 2016-01-04 03:54

Some of the details mention that these guys threatened a firefighter in the area by saying they'd claim he set the fire if he reported them. So, you know, these guys were no angels.

As long as they don't do anything really stupid, the feds will probably just wait them out until they get bored and go home, and then they can snag them all later. Seeing as they're committing federal offenses, it's not like they all have to be arrested in some showdown if they're not posing an immediate threat.

**Ghost_Wheel22** · 2016-01-04 04:12

Originally Posted by Fiye

He was popular. And then he opened his trap and fox news and company backed the fuck out of that.

Are you referring to Bundy or McNiggerator? To my knowledge only CNN put out an interview with McNiggerator and he didn't didn't support the narrative by being...well...too /k/.

Spoiler: show

**Galkaeater** · 2016-01-04 04:31

Cowboys with guns rebelling? nobody has been this american in a long time.

**Fiye** · 2016-01-04 05:34

Originally Posted by notorious bum

We also have so-called liberals wishing for the feds to get into a shootout with them because #IfTheyWerentWhite.

I agree with the statement wholeheartedly. I don't want a shootout.

But if the shoe fits on the other foot.

@Ghost: I seriously thought it was Bundy. I'll try searching some daily show shit since I know they mocked the shit out of it.

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