2013 America (and Friends!) Gun Violence Thread No Plows Allowed!

[thetruepandagod]

Clearly he brought it in his bags over from somalia.

Gun seems like a non-issue though since most reports say he shot no one. A strange time to have an argument about gun violence when no actual gun violence has occurred.

The incident was initially reported as an "active shooter" situation, but the suspect did not shoot anyone.

[Anoat]

I mean can we think of a more stereotypical ME name than Ali Muhammad lol

[Cjskater]

Either way, that's some damn amazing response time from the PD.

Thought about it, it might be because they hit the fire alarm, decreased response time. They were trying to be too clever for their own good, to get a bigger body count they alerted the police quicker.

[archibaldcrane]

I mean can we think of a more stereotypical ME name than Ali Muhammad lol

Don't make fun of A Tribe Called Quest

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Shaheed_Muhammad

Although I suppose he's Muslim too

[Mertron]

social media has become hilarious (in a stupid way) whenever anything happens

[dasva]

Gun seems like a non-issue though since most reports say he shot no one. A strange time to have an argument about gun violence when no actual gun violence has occurred.

We only care about the gun not the violence

[Dimmauk]

Can't wait to hear how he got that gun.

If he is a legally here, and a citizen, then why does it matter where he is from?

[archibaldcrane]

If he is a legally here, and a citizen, then why does it matter where he is from?

Wat

[dasva]

Maybe he meant to quote someone else?

[Eurell]

He means "...where the guns come from"

[Dimmauk]

Wat

Yeah I didn't mean to quote anyone

[Twilight Sky]

:/ This isn't going to make it any easier for the civilized Muslims in the US, at all. This event no doubt going to trigger Trump.

[Cjskater]

http://thelantern.com/2016/11/from-t...of-ohio-state/

“I just transferred from Columbus State. We had prayer rooms, like actual rooms where we could go pray because we Muslims have to pray five times a day.

“There’s Fajr, which is early in the morning, at dawn. Then Zuhr during the daytime, then Asr in the evening, like right about now. And then Maghrib, which is like right at sunset and then Isha at night. I wanted to pray Asr. I mean, I’m new here. This is my first day. This place is huge, and I don’t even know where to pray.

“I wanted to pray in the open, but I was scared with everything going on in the media. I’m a Muslim, it’s not what the media portrays me to be. If people look at me, a Muslim praying, I don’t know what they’re going to think, what’s going to happen. But, I don’t blame them. It’s the media that put that picture in their heads so they’re just going to have it and it, it’s going to make them feel uncomfortable. I was kind of scared right now. But I just did it. I relied on God. I went over to the corner and just prayed.”

-The Somalian Suspect

[thetruepandagod]

Damn the media for radicalizing this poor man whose religion has nothing to do with radicalization

[Niiro]

Way to prove them all wrong there chief.

[Tarage]

I think my favorite part about all of this are the people who instantly started talking gun control when it turns out the only gun that was used was the one that stopped the psychopath.

Not saying there doesn't need to be a discussion, but amused that this is the go-to response whenever anything happens.

[Ghost_Wheel22]

It would go a long way toward stopping straw purchases if you

a) Had to register a gun in your own name before you could buy it
b) Had to transfer that registration to a new owner before handing it off to someone else
c) Retained a degree of culpability for crimes committed using guns registered in your name
d) Had a record of the times you reported guns stolen that would send up flags to the ATF.

I don't know that we'll ever put an end to mass shootings, but there are fixes to existing gun laws that would go a long way towards halting the every day violence.

Although a better way to do that is to address systemic issues of wealth and education inequality. Wyoming has essentially 10 guns for every person and practically no gun laws, and if you take away deaths via suicide they have one of the lowest rates of gun deaths in the country. Also Wyoming has an exceptional rate of high school education and extremely low poverty. Contrast Louisiana, with similar lack of laws but the highest rate of violence, with among the lowest education rates and highest poverty.

But yeah, if you were going to just try and make a difference purely from a legal standpoint; registration.

I, along with even the coldest dead hands of the NRA, would be on board if you could guarantee this information could not be used for confiscation and until that can work it'll never get bipartisan support. I would also support a very strong C-class felony penalty (up to 5 years/125k here in Oregon) across the board for any illegal action involving a firearm along with a strong focus on training on handling/laws/rights/responsibilities.

Once you separate suicide deaths from gun-related deaths it's not exactly the overwhelming threat that it's pushed as. Hell, once you filter down to people murdered by longarms it makes Powerball odds look pretty favorable.

[Salodin]

I think my favorite part about all of this are the people who instantly started talking gun control when it turns out the only gun that was used was the one that stopped the psychopath.

Not saying there doesn't need to be a discussion, but amused that this is the go-to response whenever anything happens.

What?

This was originally reported as an ACTIVE shooter, even on this forum. Knowing that, you're confused that people are blaming guns for this?

[Jaybar]

I, along with even the coldest dead hands of the NRA, would be on board if you could guarantee this information could not be used for confiscation and until that can work it'll never get bipartisan support. I would also support a very strong C-class felony penalty (up to 5 years/125k here in Oregon) across the board for any illegal action involving a firearm along with a strong focus on training on handling/laws/rights/responsibilities.

Once you separate suicide deaths from gun-related deaths it's not exactly the overwhelming threat that it's pushed as. Hell, once you filter down to people murdered by longarms it makes Powerball odds look pretty favorable.

Well if you have to get registration and your record shows a history or presence of metal health concerns (or seeking council) which would raise a red flag then there would still be a net benefit. What sort of confiscation are you worried about - firearms or registration - and in what way would that occur?

[thetruepandagod]

https://twitter.com/Mwairnkovich/sta...82769170276356

Some people just wanna be dat boi.