2013 America (and Friends!) Gun Violence Thread No Plows Allowed!

[kuronosan]

It damn well is, bitching about anything seconds after something like this is just fuck up.

So how long do we wait before we can actively engage in discussion about it? The media attention span on any major event is about a week or two - three at the most. By May we'll be back to talking about the terrors of North Korea and Iran.

It's American Exceptionalism all over again.

[Blubbartron]

Personally I don't see anything wrong with trying to influence policy in the immediate wake of a tragedy (providing it's not *just* knee-jerk reaction). For the overwhelming majority of Americans, we're just spectators to shit like this. The only thing we can do aside from donating to relief funds (and hoping they're not scams) is trying to enact change that will prevent shit from happening again.

That said, anyone who tries to make a bombing about guns and gun control is a fucking moron. I also wish they would stop throwing the term "terrorism" around with reckless abandon. I haven't heard a "cause" for this bombing yet, which means it very well could be some dick who just felt like killing and maiming a bunch of people. It's not terrorism until we know why it was done.

[dejet]

So how long do we wait before we can actively engage in discussion about it? The media attention span on any major event is about a week or two - three at the most. By May we'll be back to talking about the terrors of North Korea and Iran.

It's American Exceptionalism all over again.

What is the proper waiting time before someone is allowed to ask for the problem to be fixed?

I do find it funny that when one persons ideals are being attacked they defend it even if they did the same thing. You can answer the question however you like, just let it fit for both your side and their side. My number is after the funerals.

[Eurell]

What is the other side though? Why are people arguing about guns right now? Nothing gun related fucking happened lol.

[Qalbert]

that's precisely the point. people died FROM NOT A GUN, so BANNING GUNS WON'T DO ANYTHING don't you get it??! FREEDOMS

[Eurell]

Fuck me I forgot the FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMZ

[dejet]

I was never fighting what it was about.I was fighting about how it's disrespectful regardless

[BaneTheBrawler]

People were being disrespectful on the internet!?

[Plow]

Oh, right, I forgot about how the overarching "gun rights" strategy now is "WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT WITHIN A FEW WEEKS OF A TRAGEDY... so stfu so the next one can happen a week later and we can tell you to shut up again."

[dejet]

Why even bother. You know what why don't you go do this at the funerals. Oh wait we already have people do that.

Your not far off.

Also the best time to do something is when people are an emotional mess.Oh wait that's the best time to take advantage of someone.

[Eurell]

Why even bother. You know what why don't you go do this at the funerals. Oh wait we already have people do that.

Your not far off.

Correct, complaining about lack of gun control on an internet forum after 20-30 1st graders get gunned down is the exact same as going to their funerals and protesting.

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you're an idiot

[dejet]

Correct, complaining about lack of gun control on an internet forum after 20-30 1st graders get gunned down is the exact same as going to their funerals and protesting.

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you're an idiot

Your fine with it tho. Because the ones out there doing it are doing a hell of a lot more then you are. Yet your defend your shit spewing that really is doing nothing outside belittling the family's.

Your more of a dick then them.

[hey]

Posted right after the Bostom bombing. Wow.

Might be a decent comparison if assault rifles could be made out of common household items. Banning them is obviously less effective when anyone can easily make one themselves.

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Sure, crude guns aren't so hard to make either, but you can only do so much damage with them.

[Eurell]

Find me doing that at all. I'll wait.

The only reason I'm saying something right now is because your comparison is bad and you should feel bad. Everyone has disagreed with you and explained why, and your comparisons are getting more and more outrageous with every post. I'd say quit while you're ahead but....

[dejet]

Can't see it tapatalk. And I don't give a shit what you think lol. I think it's disrespectful your don't. it's an opinion, I'm not wrong. I think your stupid and you think I am. #dealwithit

I'll stop posting before I anger the gods.

[Suvhater]

Might be a decent comparison if assault rifles could be made out of common household items. Banning them is obviously less effective when anyone can easily make one themselves.

This guy makes an AK47 out of a shovel. A pretty easy task considering everything but the serialized part is unrestricted. He builds the serialized receiver out of a shovel.

http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbu...i-warning.html

[Blubbartron]

This guy makes an AK47 out of a shovel. A pretty easy task considering everything but the serialized part is unrestricted. He builds the serialized receiver out of a shovel.

http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbu...i-warning.html

So a gunsmith made a gun out of a roughly shaped metal blank (otherwise known as a shovel). Yup, that's something anyone can do in their basement, and doesn't require specialized knowledge, tools, and years of practice. You sure showed that guy.

[Qalbert]

idk, i can dig it

[Apelila]

I do find it funny that when one persons ideals are being attacked they defend it even if they did the same thing. You can answer the question however you like, just let it fit for both your side and their side. My number is after the funerals.

So let me get this right, its OK to use a tragedy to further your own agenda, but you have to wait until X number of days after the tragedy. Then it's cool to imply whatever?

X being how bad the tragedy was.

That's some bullshit. If something is a tragedy it's always a tragedy and shouldn't be used as a tool in anyone's belt (looking at you, 9/11)

I mean look at this horseshit
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/04...athon-bombing/

Yes, that site itself is total leftist propaganda but what other way could those quotes have been meant? Some of the stuff that's started swimming around about this trying to place the blame on the middle east is absolutely ridiculous, but they're all allowed to say it because "They're just asking questions".

There has to be a countervoice to the crazy that the right has started up in this country since 9/11. We drown out anything we don't want to hear as a country, to the point that there are people who are implying that no major terrorist events happened under G.W. Bush and are being absolutely sincere.

So fine, I'll try and take it to where I think this could go and how apoplectic it will be for some of the most ignorant among us:

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What would be really fucked up, is if the person who did this is a Tea Partier. All this hatred is going to simmer for Muslims* AND the government and then it comes out that this is an American who did this, but a Teapublican who did it -for- the country as a protest?

Right now we can't point to any one country with certainty, since we know that the intelligence community isn't giving out hints. We can tell they aren't giving leads because there are no buzz words filtering into the major media outlets from anywhere, and there isn't anything on social media that isn't completely made up. I mean, Obama killed Osama bin Laden, in the age of social media, and had enough control to ensure that he personally delivered the news to America instead of waiting and letting it leak. Whoever did this, if it was part of a foreign group, will only be named in the barest sense of the word. If he can get away with it, they might not ever be named so that it undermines their credibility.

Imagine if 9/11 had happened, with all the money funneled to Osama bin Laden, and 8 years later his death meant that the person who bombed the World Trade Center in '93 had been killed but darn it, we're still looking for who blew up the twin towers. What incentive would you have to attack America if they won't even give you direct credit for it? Your financial backers, who are rich but not "American" rich, won't be able to trust you if your one of 10 people who can credibly take credit for such an attack but can't prove it. Now this is a pipedream, since Americans are fanatical about getting an answer: they just don't really care so much if its 100% truthful.

So what happens then, when some Blond haired blue eyed Tea Party crazy who's motivation appears to be to try and start a second revolution since the first one started in Boston is paraded around on TV? If that happens, after weeks of propaganda and outright brainwashing by the far right wing news, whats going to happen to the peoples who well and truly trust in them? Will some of them change? Probably not. Will they double down on derp when regulations are tightened so that it's harder to make very basic IEDs? Only if it involves banning guns that can kill 20 people in the span of a minute, instead of something that requires time and patience to build and use effectively.

Now I could be wrong and it could be a terrorist from another country; but what if it's an American who thought he would be a patriot by killing other American's, and he staged the first IED bombinb in America a few months after Newtown and with lots of countries in the world saying that they would destroy us if they had the power? How bad will that disfranchisement be? Or will they even notice.

* ignoring that North Korea is actually waiving a nuclear fucking missile at us right now

[hey]

This guy makes an AK47 out of a shovel. A pretty easy task considering everything but the serialized part is unrestricted. He builds the serialized receiver out of a shovel.

http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbu...i-warning.html

Ok, that's impressive, but not something 99.99% of people can do.