2013 America (and Friends!) Gun Violence Thread No Plows Allowed!

[Blubbartron]

9mm bullets beg to differ.

[mallister]

no, seriously legos are expensive as fuck. it really is about like buying ammo.

[Clash Perez]

You can use a lego more than once without investing more cash.

[Waraji]

You can use a lego more than once without investing more cash.

Until you lose like 2 of these
http://s.ecrater.com/stores/196820/4...18_196820n.jpg
and you can never put that wheel assembly together until you buy another lego set that comes with wheel bushes.

[Plow]

9mm bullets beg to differ.

This is random as fuck, but you actually made me wonder: What percentage of gun "hobbyists" would regularly shoot a 9mm?

My first thought was virtually none, but then I remembered there are absolutely shitloads of people that get off hard on going to the range to shoot their glock 9 or their semi-auto tech etc.


I uh, haven't bought any ammo lately, lol, but aren't 22's and 12/20 gauge shotgun shells still dirt cheap, and of course miles and miles ahead of everything else in terms of actually being used to shoot shit?

[Plow]

and no, I'm not actually trying to argue that guns are really a cheaper hobby than legos lol, but if you make the unfair comparison of someone that has a .22 rifle or a 20 gauge shotgun and occasionally shoots shit like rabbits and birds to someone that has multiple several hundred dollar lego sets it is kind of amusing ;p

[Meresgi]

What exactly is wrong with putting your finger on the trigger of an unloaded gun? That is, if they're even real guns. Though i suppose they probably are, since it'd probably be easier to get real ones than high quality fake guns...

You treat every "gun" as a real and loaded gun ready to go off. Same reason you don't look down the barrel even if you're "sure" there is nothing loaded, or never point the weapon at anything unless you intend to kill even if the thing has no ammo. Shit is like Guns 101 and by Guns 101 I mean they teach this fucking shit in a hunting course that takes 5hrs to complete and every other course that has to deal with any firearm ever.

[Boyiee]

Mine is a .40 and costs are basically too much right now, but it doubles for protection.

But for the most part, .22 is the way to go if you're shooting a lot, and if you live in a state that allows small varmint extermination like prairie dogs, than 5.56 all the way. Friend just picked up a .22 conversion kit for his AR so he could shoot more, and with the price differences, more is MUCH more. The amount of .22 you can get for low cost is insane. Another guy I know just got something new, think I remember his mentioning an MP9, but in .22 he got thousands of rounds for less than I could get 500 in .40. If you're a hobbyist and/or shooting often, just learning, etc, .22 is just miles ahead.

With the outbreaks of wild hogs in Texas and Prairie dogs in the Dakotas, you have to be shooting 5.56 because of the thousand rounds you're gonna blow through per day.

Also, I'm sure the kids in the pictures were handed plastic prop guns, but proper safety should still get used.

[Plow]

You treat every "gun" as a real and loaded gun ready to go off. Same reason you don't look down the barrel even if you're "sure" there is nothing loaded, or never point the weapon at anything unless you intend to kill even if the thing has no ammo. Shit is like Guns 101 and by Guns 101 I mean they teach this fucking shit in a hunting course that takes 5hrs to complete and every other course that has to deal with any firearm ever.

This is absolutely correct and exactly why people that are experienced with firearms get upset with that stuff.

Anyone that's going to even be in the same house as a gun regularly should be taught from the very start that you never treat any form of gun without the full respect that you'd give one you knew 100% was fully loaded with the safety off and an extremely light trigger.

There are many reasons for this, but 2 extremely simple and basic ones:

1. You never want to risk encouraging habits that could lead to mistreating a dangerous weapon.

2. You absolutely, positively, never, ever, ever, under any circumstances, want to make a mistake in any of those factors. Ever. Period.

[dejet]

You point a gun at someone and there happens to be one in the chamber... fuck why risk something like that. Point it at something/someone you want dead, there is always that risk.

[Ghost_Wheel22]

.22LR is running between 10-18 cents/rd. That brick you bought last year for $16 is now $80.

As Clint explains the Four Rules

Spoiler: show

[hey]

You always treat a gun like it's loaded, even if it's not. It reinforces proper discipline. Hell our last academy had two non affiliate recruits booted due to no common sense in range safety. Loaded or unloaded, your finger is only on that trigger if you intend to shoot. I've only shot once (but handled several guns as a kid since both my parents were police and taught me proper handling) and even I know that.

Okay, but it's for a picture, and i'm sure they made sure it wasn't loaded before handing it to a child.

[Outlaw]

As Clint explains the Four Rules

Spoiler: show

I love what he says @3:37.

[Clash Perez]

Okay, but it's for a picture, and i'm sure they made sure it wasn't loaded before handing it to a child.

Really not the point.

[hey]

Really not the point.

But it is the point. What do you expect from propaganda? You know what would make it even safer? If they weren't holding guns in the first place. The entire point of the picture is to influence people. Something subtle like having your finger on the trigger is an easy way to enhance the effect of that. If anything, i'm surprised the third kid didn't have his finger on the trigger.

[mallister]

ask brandon lee about having unloaded prop guns and how safe they are.

[hey]

ask brandon lee about having unloaded prop guns and how safe they are.

After googling for 30 seconds, i have come to the conclusion that the gun that killed him was neither a prop, nor unloaded.

[mallister]

they came to a similar conclusion after he was shot.

[hey]

they came to a similar conclusion after he was shot.

I guess they should have made sure before he was shot.

[Clash Perez]

but hey

it was a movie right

so they were all props

'cause it was a movie

so of course he must be alive now

because no one would have a real, loaded gun.