2013 America (and Friends!) Gun Violence Thread No Plows Allowed!

[Zeb]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/22/us/kin...ool/?hpt=us_c2


They need to start charging the parents when young kids get access to firearms like this.

Hell, the parents might have given the kid the gun to bring to school for safety...

[Byrthnoth]

http://www.local12.com/template/inew...al12.com.shtml

1-year-old boy shot in the head in New York City
September 02, 2013 01:20 GMT

NEW YORK (AP) -- A 1-year-old boy in New York City has been shot in the head.

Police said the child was in a stroller crossing a street with his parents in the Brownsville neighborhood of Brooklyn when the shooting occurred about 7:20 p.m. Sunday.

Authorities said the child was rushed to Brookdale University Hospital where he was listed in critical condition.

Police released no other preliminary details from the investigation.

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[chazzyphizzle]

there are responsible gun owners out there, but every muslim is a terrorist, every black male is a gang banger, and every mexican is a drug mule with cantaloupe calves

[Ragnus]

I suppose this should go here. CO state senators who pushed gun control after Aurora are removed in a precedent setting recall election.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...ctions-at-7-am

OLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - In the first recalls of state lawmakers in Colorado history, State Senate President John Morse and Senator Angela Giron were both removed from office Tuesday by voters upset with their stance on gun control.

Unofficial final results updated by the El Paso County Clerk at 10:02 p.m. showed 50.96 percent of voters in District 11 wanted Morse to be recalled.

"The highest rank in a democracy is citizen, not senate president," he said at the conclusion of his concession speech, in which he promised to continue his work.

Giron, who was winning in the first preliminary data, has also lost. Unofficial results show 56 percent of voters in District 3 in favor of recalling her. As of 10:30 p.m., 34,556 votes had been counted.

Giron spoke to a crowd in her headquarters about 15 minutes after those results were posted.

"I'm a little perplexed, but this is what I know: I know that I have not one iota of regret from what I voted on," she said.

The two Democratic representatives faced these recall elections because of their support for gun control during the last legislative session. They both voted in favor of 15-round limits on ammunition magazines and for expanded background checks on private gun sales after the 2012 mass shootings in Aurora and Newtown, Conn. The legislation passed Colorado's Democrat-led Legislature this year without any Republican support and was signed into law by Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper.

The push to recall the two senators began early in the summer, with opponents gathering signatures on petitions to force the recall. The senators tried to challenge the wording of the petitions in court, but lost.

"I do worry that now that a recall has been successful, it will become a political tactic for both sides," Morse told reporters after his concession speech.

"I think that is a horrible way to govern," he added.

Morse served State Senate District 11, which includes most of central Colorado Springs. He was first elected to the state senate in 2006. He previously worked as a police officer in Colorado Springs, and the Chief of Police in Fountain.

The Republican candidate elected to replace Morse is former Colorado Springs City Councilman Bernie Herpin.

Giron served Senate District 3, which covers most of the City of Pueblo and Pueblo West. She was elected to state senate for the first time in 2010, after spending three decades working with the Boys and Girls Club.

Former Pueblo deputy chief of police George Rivera, a Republican, will replace her.

Both sides campaigned vigorously in the days leading up to the election. Our partners at The Denver Post reported last week that the National Rifle Association spent $361,703 in the recall efforts of Morse and Giron. One week earlier the newspaper reported that New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg donated $350,000 to a special issue committee backing the two imperiled senators.

El Paso County said about 21 percent of the eligible electorate cast ballots. Almost 36 percent voted in Pueblo County.

[Talint]

I suppose this should go here. CO state senators who pushed gun control after Aurora are removed in a precedent setting recall election.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...ctions-at-7-am

I'm confused by this. A recall in CO is a yes/no vote? And being defeated means there's an automatic appointment? What determines that?

[Callisto]

I'm confused by this. A recall in CO is a yes/no vote? And being defeated means there's an automatic appointment? What determines that?

It can vary by state, but in most there's a special election to vote in the replacement simultaneously, so you both vote yes/no on the recall and if yes you vote who you want as a replacement. I'm actually not sure on CO's specific system.

[Talint]

It can vary by state, but in most there's a special election to vote in the replacement simultaneously, so you both vote yes/no on the recall and if yes you vote who you want as a replacement. I'm actually not sure on CO's specific system.

I guess I'm just confusing it with WI/CA/other recalls where there is a vote/signature gathering beforehand to determine if a recall is necessary or not, as opposed to what just seems to be both happening at once.

As for the actual issue, I am hardly surprised and completely out of snark to say something about it.

[Drex]

"I do worry that now that a recall has been successful, it will become a political tactic for both sides," Morse told reporters after his concession speech.

"I think that is a horrible way to govern," he added.

Not sure if I should laugh or cry that this isn't a quote from TheOnion

[Callisto]

I guess I'm just confusing it with WI/CA/other recalls where there is a vote/signature gathering beforehand to determine if a recall is necessary or not, as opposed to what just seems to be both happening at once.

As for the actual issue, I am hardly surprised and completely out of snark to say something about it.

No that happened as well, but beforehand. In CO you need an amount of signatures amounting to at least 25% of the total number of people who voted the person into office, if you meet that requirement then the recall election where the general public votes yes/no occurs. They had actually attempted to oust 3 or 4 different people from the CO senate but two of them did not get enough signatures to move forward with recall.

[Blubbartron]

Not sure if I should laugh or cry that this isn't a quote from TheOnion

It's a depressing commentary on society for a variety of reasons. Ideally, in our system of government, he's not elected to govern. He doesn't hold authority over people - he represents their interests. However, as evidenced by this recall, people are stupid. The NRA has successfully shown that you can buy the removal of politicians that don't line up with your beliefs through extensive propaganda and disinformation. It's not new for the NRA though - they've mastered this tactic for getting people elected over the past 3 or 4 decades, and now they're applying it to having people removed as well.

Just more evidence that money needs to stay the fuck out of politics.

[Ragnus]

Which is funny because there was a 3:1 ratio of money sent by parties in favor of keeping them in office.

[Blubbartron]

Like I said, the NRA is awesome at propaganda. Democrats fucking suck at it.

[Lucavi]

Like I said, the NRA is awesome at propaganda. Democrats fucking suck at it.

Its easier to scare people and keep them scare than the opposite. Fear-mongers will always have the upper hand in this regard, especially where inherently guilt-ridden and paranoid people reside

[Niiro]

It's a depressing commentary on society for a variety of reasons. Ideally, in our system of government, he's not elected to govern. He doesn't hold authority over people - he represents their interests.

There's a difference between acting on behalf of the people and acting in the public interest as a whole, unfortunately everyone get's a say regardless of their individual level of knowing what the fuck.

edit: misread something

[thetruepandagod]

edit: lost what i typed fuck it

[Ghost_Wheel22]

One employs scare-tactics that guns will be everywhere legally and every K-12 building will have shootings, oh noez!

One employs scare-tactics that guns will be nowhere legally and you will be robbed at gunpoint by criminals and at the mercy of a martial police force, oh noez!

Both sides seem to be doing a damn good job at propaganda.

[Bregor]

Navy Yard in the middle of DC near Nationals Park:

Police say as many as 2 shooters have killed 4, injured 8 on grounds of Washington Navy Yard


By Carol Morello, Peter Hermann and Maggie Fazeli Fard, Updated: Monday, September 16, 11:58 AM

As many as two shooters, including one in fatigues, killed at least four people and wounded eight others in a rampage at the Washington Navy Yard on Monday, police said, spreading fear and chaos across the region as authorities tried to contain the incident.

Initial reports were marked by confusion, but by late morning, police said at least one of the shooters was “down.” It was unclear whether that means the suspect was in custody, wounded or dead. They said that another suspect may have been was pinned down in a building on the installation in Southeast Washington near Nationals Park.



Gunfire was heard shortly before 11 a.m., two and a half hours after the first shots were fired, an an area where police believed that person was barricaded. Police were sweeping Building 197, the Naval Sea Systems Command Headquarters where the shooter was apparently holed up. The number of shooters still was unclear.

At least two police officers were shot. Police on the scene said one is a D.C. Metro Police officer who was shot twice in the leg and was evacuated on a helicopter that took off from a rooftop. The other was a base officer. The D.C. officer, a male, was concious at MedStar Washington Hospital Center and his chances for survival were good, hospital officials said.

Janis Orlowski, the chief medical officer at Washington Hospital Center, said three victims in all were brought to the center, all in critical condition but alert, responsive and able to talk with doctors. The victims were also able to speak briefly to law enforcement officers before undergoing surgery or treatment, she said.

The other two victims at the hospital were female civilians, Orlowski said at a press conference. All are likely to survive.

Ten public and charter schools and a public school administration building in the District were placed on lockdown as a precaution, and flights out of Reagan National Airport were briefly halted, causing delays even after they began departing again.

Adm. Jonathan W. Greenert, the chief of Naval Operations, was evacuated from his residence at the Navy Yard complex shortly after the first report of shots fired, Navy officials said.

Greenert, a four-star admiral and member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was safely evacuated to the Pentagon along with his wife, Darleen, said Cmdr. Ryan Perry, a Navy spokesman.

The U.S. Navy said that three shots were fired around 8:20 a.m. at Building 197, where about 3,000 people work.

Rick Mason, a program management analyst who is a civilian with the U.S. Navy, told the Associated Press that a gunman was shooting from a fourth floor overlook in the hallway outside his office. He said the gunman was aiming at people in the building’s first floor cafeteria.

David Stevens, a Navy contractor, was on the phone talking in building 197 when he heard an initial volley of shots fired. He heard people shouting that a shoorter was on the building’s fourth floor.

He said he ran to the edge of a glass atrium that overlooks all the floors and glanced up, only to hear a “second deluge” of shots. The fire alarm sounded, and people began exiting the building.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...549_story.html

[jmc]

Hope neph is ok, if I remember correctly he is a DC officer

[Day]

Hope neph is ok, if I remember correctly he is a DC officer

^

[Bregor]

Obviously I should have known Broven would be on top of this: http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/118...-clapped-in-DC