2013 America (and Friends!) Gun Violence Thread No Plows Allowed!

[thetruepandagod]

video here also
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9db_1389855116

[Callisto]

Do they not issue tazers to police officers anymore?

[Waraji]

Tazers cost money brah.

[Melena]

Do they not issue tazers to police officers anymore?

We do to officers who take and pass a taser certification class and to keep it they have to re-certify every year.

[Callisto]

Wow, I honestly thought those would be standard issue along with the firearm and that training would be mandatory.

[Blubbartron]

Jesus christ... That guy was in no way a threat to the officer... He was meandering, and possibly not in his right mind if he was involved in a serious car accident not long ago...

[Callisto]

I wouldn't say he wasn't a threat, he was advancing on him with a knife regardless of the state he was in, and that's definitely a threat in close quarters. I'm just baffled that the police did not have a non-lethal option of incapacitating him available.

[Waraji]

Or you know, shooting the wall behind the guy to stun him momentarily and get his point across that he had a gun, before shooting him the next 3 times. That shit looked like he aimed straight for the face too, probably chest height though given the angle of the camera.

[Suvhater]

seriously, google 21 foot rule. You dont approach a suspect wielding a deadly weapon with a less than lethal weapon. Standard bulletproof vests are definitely not stab proof. If the officer had attempted to engage the suspect with a less than lethal option, and missed, or failed to subdue in the first half second, then that guy could have taken two quick steps and put that knife in the officers side before he had time to pull his pistol. I have seen many bad shoots, as well as many questionable shoots. This shoot was neither, it was clear cut and 100% justified.

[Waraji]

That seems reasonable, I suppose its just a matter of not hearing this type of shit every day, let alone Deathcam via shooters PoV.

[Ghost_Wheel22]

While shitty the officer made a legit call. A knife is considered a deadly weapon, he was within 21 feet, and had told the guy several times to comply.

[BaneTheBrawler]

Does this actually happen? I've never had a checkup or anything to renew my license. I just mailed the $$ in and got a new one.



So how do you handle hunters? They need guns/bows and ammunition to hunt. What about sportsmen who go to shooting ranges or compete? Do they all now need to join up with a militia in order to purchase a hand gun? Well then EVERYONE is going to sign up for militia class and get their militia ID badge. Who's going to teach all the classes? Also each state will handle it differently most likely with some having less stringent laws then another, making people hop borders to pick up guns elsewhere.

Only thing that needs to really go are the gun show sales, which are bullshit. And there needs laws against that..but you're NEVER EVER going to be able to enforce this shit...ever. It's a pipe dream, and I think effort should be focused more on how fucking messed up our healthcare system is for people with mental illnesses.

yes, in MN you have to go in and do the little blinking light peripheral vision test at the same time you get your picture taken for your new license. takes all of 2 minutes. the REST of the process takes a bit, but not really long enough to be a pain.

and yeah, having them all join the militia is the idea. i didn't say it was going to be this super exclusive club; pretty much anyone you would consider a responsible gun owner should be able to pass the tests i have in mind, and come out of the experience with a little extra training and discipline in the process. once they've done that it's just a matter of brief renewal checkups, though they could do more stuff.

hopping borders? as if people don't already do that. not a huge issue; just make sure the militia databases can be access by law enforcement in other states.

as for who would teach them... the people who already teach those things, plus i'm sure it wouldn't be terribly difficult to find retired officers looking for a job. among other professions that would have relevant skillsets to share.

of course i realize it's not realistic, in the sense of getting anyone to agree to it any time soon. And I do agree that fixing the health care side of it would be the best place to start. But I reject the idea that it would be impossible to enforce. damn near everyone has a car, and we enforce those rules. It might be difficult to come to an acceptable level of enforcement in some areas, but that's a really fucking shitty reason not to try.

[Blubbartron]

The 21 foot rule applies to people who still have their gun holstered when the knife-wielding maniac begins charging at them. The cop had his gun trained directly on the guy, the guy was moving very slowly, and I saw no sudden movements to indicate he was going to attack. Sorry, but cops shouldn't shoot people just because they happen to be holding weapons. And don't give me this "he failed to comply" nonsense.

This is just another instance of a cop following the rules that cops are supposed to, but those rules make the cop's life more valuable than the civilian's. That's the opposite of how it should be. It's legal, and it follows current procedures, but that doesn't make it right.

[Ghost_Wheel22]

The 21 foot rule applies to people who still have their gun holstered when

Wrong. Try again.

And don't give me this "he failed to comply" nonsense.

"Put the knife down now." He didn't put it down. "Put it down, I'm serious." He didn't put it down. "Put the knives down!" He didn't put them down. "Put the knives--I will shoot you!" He didn't put them down. "PUT THE KNIFE DOWN PUT IT DOWN! PUT IT DOWN! PUT IT DOWN!" He didn't put them down.

You know, not complying.

This is just another instance of muh feelings

Noted.

[Nephlite]

Have to agree. Good shoot on the officers part. He gave him a lot of chances and the guy still kept coming. Now we have to analyze the comments on the liveleak about him shooting the guy in the knee. Hahaha.

[Acevalefor]

Or you know, shooting the wall behind the guy to stun him momentarily and get his point across that he had a gun, before shooting him the next 3 times. That shit looked like he aimed straight for the face too, probably chest height though given the angle of the camera.

Because it is a good idea to shoot where you know beyond a doubt that your bullet will not stop and continue into areas that you cannot see. Drywall won't even stop a thrown object, let alone a bullet. If he had done as you suggest, we would be reading a story about an officer shooting and killing a 3-year-old through a wall.

This wasn't even a questionable police shooting. Why is it a thing? The guy was saying something that you cannot make out from the video, but it was clear that he was advancing on the officer and the officer was backing away giving multiple warnings. Suicide by cop indeed.

[jmc]

Wow, I honestly thought those would be standard issue along with the firearm and that training would be mandatory.

No tasers for my department, tried to get them but community members and select political figures didn't want us to have them.

Only non-lethal we have in Boston is OC spray.

[Brill Weave]

The 21 foot rule applies to people who still have their gun holstered when the knife-wielding maniac begins charging at them. The cop had his gun trained directly on the guy, the guy was moving very slowly, and I saw no sudden movements to indicate he was going to attack. Sorry, but cops shouldn't shoot people just because they happen to be holding weapons. And don't give me this "he failed to comply" nonsense.

This is just another instance of a cop following the rules that cops are supposed to, but those rules make the cop's life more valuable than the civilian's. That's the opposite of how it should be. It's legal, and it follows current procedures, but that doesn't make it right.

You're terrible lol.

[Meresgi]

Because it is a good idea to shoot where you know beyond a doubt that your bullet will not stop and continue into areas that you cannot see. Drywall won't even stop a thrown object, let alone a bullet. If he had done as you suggest, we would be reading a story about an officer shooting and killing a 3-year-old through a wall.

This wasn't even a questionable police shooting. Why is it a thing? The guy was saying something that you cannot make out from the video, but it was clear that he was advancing on the officer and the officer was backing away giving multiple warnings. Suicide by cop indeed.

Lol exactly my thought after reading that. I just imagined it like a comedy show, where someone empties a clip into a wall to show they mean business, then camera pans over into the next room and there are 10 people all slumped over dead.

[Callisto]

No tasers for my department, tried to get them but community members and select political figures didn't want us to have them.

Only non-lethal we have in Boston is OC spray.

That makes more sense, thanks. I don't disagree with the shooting at all, it seemed perfectly justified once they were both already in the situation, but at first I was wtf'ing pretty hard that the officer defaulted to a sidearm when first entering the house.