2013 America (and Friends!) Gun Violence Thread No Plows Allowed!

[Callisto]

The part about THAT WON'T WORK SILLY, LET ME FIX THAT FOR YOU, THERE YA GO, NOW YOU CAN SHOOT 'EM is almost comical minus the dead teenager

edit: It's mostly concentrated in the southern and western sides of the city, but the actual volume is pretty nuts. 3 weeks ago we had 33 wounded, 4 killed over the weekend, the following weekend(Easter) we had 9 dead, 45 wounded. I haven't seen stats for this past weekend but there was 1 death and 10 injuries yesterday alone. This all being only within city limits, not counting suburbs(which do have pretty low rates themselves). It sounds callous but I really am just glad I live in the nicer suburbs that are also near the nicer parts of the city, south Chicago is like something out of Mad Max and I'm not a giant fan of getting shot.

[Qalbert]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27243115

The father of a German exchange student shot dead in Montana after he trespassed in a man's garage has said the US cannot continue to "play cowboy" with firearms.

Markus Kaarma has been charged with deliberate murder in the Sunday killing of Diren Dede, 17, of Hamburg.

But he says Montana's self-defence law allowed him to shoot the boy.

Celal Dede said he would not have allowed his son to study in the US had he been aware of the lenient gun laws.

"I didn't think for one night that everyone here can kill somebody just because that person entered his back yard," Mr Dede told the German news agency dpa.
Pressure authorities

Mr Dede returned to Germany from Montana on Thursday after securing the release of his son's body, a German consulate spokeswoman said.

The son of a family of Turkish immigrants to Germany, Diren was attending Big Sky High School in Missoula, Montana, for one year as part of an exchange program.

Diren, known in Hamburg for his football skills, had only six weeks left in the programme.
This undated still image taken from video shows Markus Kaarma at his home in Missoula, Montana Markus Kaarma was released on $30,000 bond while he awaits trial on the murder charge

Mr Kaarma, a 29-year-old firefighter, has told investigators his home had twice been hit by burglars, and he told a hair stylist he had waited up at night to shoot intruders, prosecutors said.

On the night of the shooting, Mr Kaarma and his partner Janelle Pflager left their garage door open, and Ms Pflager left her purse in the garage in order to bait intruders, she told police.

They set up motion sensors and a video monitor, prosecutors said.

When the sensors went off just after midnight and they saw a man on the monitor screen, Mr Kaarma went outside and fired a shotgun into the garage without warning several times.

It is unclear what the teenager was doing inside in the garage.

Mr Kaarma's lawyer said his client planned to plead not guilty.

The state allows residents to protect their homes with deadly force when they believe they are going to be harmed, said his lawyer, Paul Ryan.

"We know with no question the individual entered the garage," Mr Ryan said. "Kaarma didn't know who he was, his intent or whether he was armed."

He said that there had been a spate of break-ins in the neighbourhood and Mr Kaarma did not think the police were doing anything about them.
'Castle doctrine' defence

The suspect was released on $30,000 (£17,800) bond, and has remained in his home.

Montana's so-called "castle doctrine" law was amended in 2009 to allow deadly force if a homeowner "reasonably believes" an intruder is trying to harm him or her.

Before that, residents could only use such force if the intruder acted in a violent way. The legislation was backed by the US' largest gun lobby, the National Rifle Association (NRA).

State Representative Ellie Hill told the Missoulian newspaper she has proposed legislation to repeal the 2009 amendments to the law.

"What the castle doctrine has done in this country is it has created a culture of gun violence and vigilante justice," Ms Hill, a Democrat who represents Missoula, said.

"And it's created a culture that it's okay to shoot first and ask questions later."

Diren will be buried in Turkey, his family said. His football team in Hamburg, SC Teutonia 1910, played a charity match on Wednesday to help the family pay for the funeral.

Diren's friends and family in Germany expressed sorrow following his death.

"We had spoken on the phone just one day before," a friend told local media. "He had the best year of his life in America."

Another friend attended the charity football match organised for Diren's funeral.

"What happened is a sad story, and with this we want to show that we're all with him and won't forget him," the friend said.

[Meresgi]

They laid a trap to kill people? How the fuck is that self defense?

[Callisto]

'murica, that's how

[archibaldcrane]

Does it make me an asshole for thinking that Chicago needs to start a stop-and-frisk program?

[Callisto]

Sort of, but indirectly in that it'd probably end up in some cops getting shot and I'm friends with some of them

[Suvhater]

stop and frisk is only productive if they profile black teens.

[AidenCarby]

Wow, that's fucked.

[archibaldcrane]

stop and frisk is only productive if they profile black teens.

I wasn't suggesting anything else...

[Meresgi]

stop and frisk is only productive if they profile black teens.

SEXY black teens

[Kuya]

Well that escalated quickly.

[dejet]

They laid a trap to kill people? How the fuck is that self defense?

Dude is going to jail. Lol that shit is not going to fly. Will find them jailed in a year.

[Drex]

I wasn't suggesting anything else...

they already profile black teens but there will never be political will for an official policy of it after the lynching of NYPD. now they just deflate the murder statistics by documenting obvious murders as deaths by natural or unknown causes.

[Ghost_Wheel22]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27243115

It sucks balls to have your shit ganked with little perceived support from leos but baiting your garage with an itchy finger is overly premeditated. And because of the rather large gray area CD law in is set in some states it makes cases like this a hot mess.

And glad to see "He beez a good boy, he din't do nuffin!" to wave away why he was poking around at midnight in the first place.

I honestly expected more sneering contempt from a Britbong news piece though.

[Meresgi]

Posting this here as it's "Violence" related. Analysis of the Boston Bombing and the FBI

http://www.lawfareblog.com/2014/04/t...athon-in-2013/

Two opposite mistakes in an after-the-fact review of a terrorist incident are equally damaging. One is to fail to recognize the powerful difference between foresight and hindsight in evaluating how an investigative or intelligence agency should have behaved. After the fact, we know on whom we should have focused attention as a suspect, and we know what we should have protected as a target. With foresight alone, we know neither of these critically important clues to what happened and why. With hindsight, we can focus all of our attention narrowly; with foresight, we have to spread it broadly, as broadly as the imagination of our attackers may roam.

[Callisto]

I guess this is a sort of all-around violence thread right?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/02/justic...tack-thwarted/

Woman's gut feeling thwarts teen's planned school massacre, family murder

(CNN) -- When Chelsie Shellhas saw a tall young man slip into a storage locker and shut the door behind him one evening this week, it just looked wrong. She dialed 911.

Her instincts were right: Behind the door were bomb-making materials, police in Wacesa, Minnesota, said Thursday. Her call thwarted a cunningly planned gun and bomb attack at a school, they say.

John David LaDue, 17, was looking to carry it out in the coming weeks, police said in an official statement.

After Shellhas' call on Tuesday, officers arrived at the storage park to find LaDue among an assortment of gunpowder, pyrotechnic chemicals, ball bearings and a pressure cooker, police said.

Cop details teen's massacre plans

CNN does not usually publish the names of minors charged with crimes but is naming LaDue in this case, because his name has been widely reported in his community.

Police locked up the storage bay and took LaDue in for a voluntary interview. He shared a macabre plan, police said.

His tale and recovered evidence resulted in charges of four counts of attempted murder, six counts of explosives possessions and related property damage charges.

He is being charged as a juvenile, said prosecutor Brenda Miller.

Alleged plan: Kill the family first

First, LaDue was planning to kill his father, mother and sister, police said.

He was particularly close to his sister, their music tutor said. Ryan Lano gave LaDue guitar lessons for four years. "He would almost always come in with his sister, who played the drums," he said.

After their slayings, the teen, who idealized the Columbine school shooters, allegedly wanted to set a fire.

The arson, however, would only be a diversion to tie up emergency responders while he carried out the main plot at the school, police said.

He'd planned to set off "numerous bombs" during the lunch hour at Waseca Junior/Senior High School, then kill the school resource officer, police said.

Then he'd unleash gunfire on students until police officers arrived, allegedly planning to let them kill him.

Armed to the teeth

The teen's cache in the storage locker contained just pieces of the puzzle.

Police got a search warrant and at 10:30 p.m. arrived at LaDue's home, where he lived with his family.

Behind that door lay finished bombs, "numerous guns" and ammunition, police say. And they found LaDue's neatly laid plan journaled onto paper.

A bomb squad removed all recovered explosives and destroyed them by controlled detonation at a local airport.

Seemed up to no good

Shellhas and others in her building first saw a young man in their backyard, Shellhas' cousin Katy Harty told CNN's Brooke Baldwin.

As they watched him fiddle with the storage unit for about 10 minutes, they though perhaps he was trying to break in, Harty said.

Shellhas picked up the phone, and 10 minutes later, police were taking LaDue in. His alleged plan hits frighteningly close to home.

Harty's younger brother is a senior at the targeted school. Her cousin is a freshman there.
"It's scary; we're both, like, really glad that we did call and didn't just shrug it off," she said.

'Liked' guns, dark entertainment

If his Facebook page is any indicator, LaDue is partial to the dark side, and he "likes" assault rifles: the AK-101, Heckler & Koch SL8 and Steyr TMP.

In a photo, he can be seen picking an electric guitar with a skull on its shoulder strap; his preferred bands -- more than 190 of them in total -- are predominantly heavy metal.

His taste in movies is dominated by blood, gore, combat and fisticuffs. His favorite authors are Stephen King and a more traditional master of literary darkness, Edgar Allen Poe.

LaDue also seems to like to hunt. His avatar is a picture of himself in hunter's orange, posing with a slain deer with a rifle draped over it.

It was not immediately clear Thursday whether LaDue had retained an attorney.
His mother spoke briefly to CNN by phone.

"I'd rather not (provide a statement) at this time. Our family is dealing with a lot of grief. I appreciate your concern," she said before hanging up the phone.

LaDue, 17, was in juvenile detention Friday and has made death threats to facility staff, a prosecutor said.

A lucky calendar this year may have prevented him from hatching his plan already.
He had planned to carry it out on April 20, the 15th anniversary of the mass shooting at Columbine High School in Colorado. But it fell on Easter week this year, when school was out.

added a bold for lol'ing

[Waraji]

added a bold for lol'ing

Inb4 GTA IV correlation. You probably won't hear this on Fox News I bet, seeing as 1) he didn't get to go through with it, 2) he doesn't play video games, 3) he likes to hunt.

[Ghost_Wheel22]

http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/253...rks-new-debate

SPARTANBURG, SC (FOX Carolina) -

Nineteen-year-old Dante Williams' family said there is no doubt he entered the Waffle House in Chesnee back in January of 2012 intent on robbing it, but they say he didn't have to die.

FOX Carolina obtained surveillance video from inside the Waffle House that investigators said shows Williams and his accomplice Jawan Craig come into the restaurant. Deputies said Williams is the one seen pointing a gun and demanding money.

Sitting at the bar area of the restaurant was Justin Harrison, a concealed weapon permit holder, who was armed the night of the robbery.

"They're yelling 'everybody get down, get down' and I'm not getting on the floor. I am not going to be a victim," Harrison said.

Harrison said while the men terrorized other customers and staff he was deciding when to act.

"This was the only time," Harrison said. "If I am going to fight it was that one time. He was approaching me and I saw that as him engaging me."

The video shows Williams, gun by his side, walk back toward Harrison, who stands up and fires several shots killing Williams almost instantly.

The video then shows Harrison trying to hold Craig at gunpoint. But Craig tries grabbing Harrison's gun and after a struggle Craig escapes.

Deputies later caught up with Craig, and he has since been convicted in the robbery. Thanks in part to the surveillance video.

David Blanton, a former Spartanburg county deputy, was Harrison's CWP instructor and after reviewing the video he says Harrison followed his training and was justified in firing.

"Not only was he defending his own life, which the law says he can do, but there were other people in the restaurant," Blanton said.

According to Blanton, getting a CWP involves filling out an application, followed by an eight-hour course taught by a qualified instructor, a written exam, and finally a live-fire qualification.

Tamika McSwain is Williams' cousin and said more training is needed before someone is given a CWP. McSwain said the video contradicts statements made by Harrison about what happened the night of the robbery, and said if Harrison had been bettered trained he may not have fired the fatal shots.

"I understand he felt threatened by the situation," McSwain said. "But he said the gun was pointed at him so he fired. In fact he (Williams) was walking out."

McSwain admits that Williams made a terrible decision the night he died.

"It still puzzles us as to why he would do something so crazy," said McSwain.

Williams actions were out of character for the Dorman High School senior who his family said had never been in trouble before.

"He was always sharp, always goofy, loved to dance, he was a respectable boy," McSwain said.

McSwain said her family was disappointed that Harrison wasn't charged in the shooting and says her family is still considering pursuing other legal action against him.

Both the Spartanburg County Sheriff's Office and Seventh Circuit Solicitor's office cleared Harrison in the shooting.

But McSwain said her cousin's death shows that more training is need for CWP holders. Harrison meanwhile said the video shows he did what he had to.

"They got the gun, he (Williams) picked it up. He could have said no," Harrison said. "He hung out with the wrong crowd."

A judge sentenced Craig to 30 years in prison for his part in the robbery.

"he was a good boy he didn't do nuffin! He didn't need to die!"
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9...vzzeo2_500.jpg

[jmc]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[Waraji]

I'm okay with this story.